RE: [greatbiggroup] [Fwd: California is now it's own country] --- so you thik I ma bad....

Actually this is the problem with the net… Some person said who
Chris posted to [cruzrights] and Steve reposted it to [greatbiggroup]
as a joke "So You think I am so bad…" So really it is the work of
someone else…" Actually what I am pointing to is that we Americans
are a diverse group and we often have fantasies of "going it alone"
however what we probably need more tham anything else is each other.

So anyway when one sees things on the net please be careful about where
you think it came from. This is a problem with the net and probably
reflects on my being sloppy was mush as anything else.

What provoked it was, as it is well known I think the BBC Series
The Power of Nigtmares is very good. Not perfect, but it makes it's
statements and does a pretty good job of backing them up. Usually that
is a weakness of people from both the right and the left.

For example friends urge me to read certain books, Michael Rupert
is currentlty a favorite and supposedly he backs it all up. I'll have
to see because he makes a number of pretty out there claims I hear
repeated often by the left. That is that there is a pretty much all
powerful CIA that controls the Drug Trade from Columbia and that people
who challenge it or look too closely at it end up dead.

To put it gently I once worked in the governement and as they say
"had access" and although the governement and its agencies does have
considerable powers they are not omnipotent in fact sometime when
faced with a difficult problem people in various agencies feel pretty
powerless. However there is enough power to be dangerous if misused or
used incorrectly by those who are ill informed or motivated by questionable
fears.

The strange subtext I that seems to run through all of this stuff
about the various fundamentalist organizations be they American Christian
Conservative or Fundamentalist Islamist is a fear of human sexuality.
For example much of Conservative Christian Activism here is an attempt to
sort of repeal the social changes brought on by the late 1960s.
Although the visiting Egyptian Scholar who freaked over people slow
dancing in 1950s America was even more intense. Wonder if this is a
test for dangerous people.;)

To be honest I neither totally believe the left or the right on all
of this but tbink it all bears more close investigation at an open
minded and dispassionate level. This does not mean one has to think
the hijackers were swell folks and that there is no danger at all.

The danger comes from ideas and if history has proven any thing is that
it is very hard if not impossible to kill ideas with a gun and force.
One might repress them for awhile but they will come back and get you.

I suspect that in the writings and thoughts and academic backgrounds
of the hijackers are clues that might give us real insight into how to
best take apart these dark ideas and render them harmless. Rather than
feed them and be terrorized by them. Since they are ideas there is no
magic "cancer" you remove by the surgery of force that we Americans feel
is our God given right to wield. But I don't think thia will work.

I know it sounds announcing that one believes in magic(k) but it might
be possible to remove these ideas by artistic means. Artists seldom realize
what power they yield. It might be possible to counteract and remove them
by other ideas that are restoration of an Optimistic World View that
would replace dark nightmares with something that would render them mostly
just that, something that dissappears when one wakes up.


Have Fun,
Sends Steve



> Steve said: "Since we get New York, you'll have to come up with your
> own
> late night
> TV shows because we get MTV, Letterman, the Daily Show, and Conan
> O'Brien."
>
> Your note contains some other heavy thinking as well. Now how about a
> look
> at reality. You will notice there is no mention of TV shows in the text
> below. Could have something to do with the level of thinking used to
> develop
> it (not me). This is just one of the states you gave up. But, consider
> this, you'll all look good on your bicycles talking about what you watched
> on TV last night. Oh, what are all of the folks in your country going to
> eat? And, since you probably got 95% of the welfare recipients in the
> blue
> states, how are the rest of you going to take care of them?
>
> Please note that Texas is the only state with a legal right to secede from
> the Union (please refer to the Texas-American Annexation Treaty of 1848).
>
> Texas has given all those complainers plenty of time to get used to the
> results. After seeing the whiners along the campaign route, the folks from
> Texas are considering taking matters into our their hands.
>
>
> 1. NASA is just south of Houston, Texas. (We will control the space
> industry.)
>
> 2. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States.
>
> 3. Defense Industry. (We have over 65% of it.) The term "Don't mess with
> Texas" will take on a whole new meaning.
>
> 4. Oil - we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need
> for
> the next 300 years. Yankee states? Sorry about that. We also have most of
> the talent and the companies needed to find new oil
>
> 5. Natural Gas - Again we have all we need and it's too bad about those
> northern states. John Kerry will figure a way to keep them warm….
>
> 6. Computer Industry - We currently lead the nation in producing computer
> chips and communications: Small places like Texas Instruments, Dell
> Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD,
> Atmel, Applied Materials, Ball Semiconductor, Dallas Semiconductor,
> Delphi,
> Nortel, Alcatel, Etc, Etc. The list goes on and on.
>
> 7. Health Centers - We have the largest research centers for cancer
> research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world and
> other large health planning centers.
>
> 8. We have enough colleges to keep us going: U.T., Texas A&M, Texas Tech,
> Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women's University,
> etc. Ivy grows better in the south anyway.
>
> 9. We have a ready supply of workers. (Just open the border when we need
> some more.)
>
> 10. We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc.
>
> 11. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the Texas National Guard and
> the
> Texas Air National Guard. We don't have an army, but since everybody down
> here has at least six rifles and a pile of ammo, we can raise an army in
> 24
> hours if we need it. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call
> Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over a couple Texas
> Rangers.
>
> 12. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and several
> types
> of grain, fruit and vegetables and let's not forget seafood from the gulf.
> And everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good.
> Don't need any food.
>
>
> This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic of Texas in
> good shape. There isn't a thing out there that we need and don't have.
>
> Now to the rest of the United States under President Kerry:
>
> Since you won't have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only
> President
> Kerry will be able to drive around in his 9 mile per gallon SUV. The rest
> of
> the United States will have to walk or ride bikes.
>
> You won't have any TV as the Space Center in Houston will cut off your
> communications. You won't have any natural gas to heat your homes, but
> since
> Mr. Kerry has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas.
>
>
>
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:07 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [greatbiggroup] [Fwd: California is now it's own country] —
> so
> you thik I ma bad….
>
>
> —————————- Original Message
> —————————-
> Subject: California is now it's own country
> From: "Christopher Robin" <[email protected]>
> Date: Thu, November 18, 2004 6:25 am
> To: [email protected]
> ————————————————————————–
>
> Dear President Bush:
>
> Congratulations on your victory over all us non-evangelicals.
> Actually, we're a bit ticked off here in California, so we're
> leaving you.
> California will now be its own country. And we're taking all the
> Blue
> States with us. In case you are not aware, that includes Hawaii,
> Oregon,
> Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, all of the
> North East
> States, and the urban half of Ohio.
>
> We spoke to God, and she agrees that this split will be
> beneficial to
> almost everybody, and especially to us in the new country of
> California. In
> fact, God is so excited about it, she's going to shift the whole
> country
> at 4:30 pm EST this Friday. Therefore, please let everyone know
> they need to
> be back in their states by then. God is going to give us the Pacific
> Ocean and Hollywood.
> In addition, we're getting San Diego. (Sorry, that's just
> how it goes.) But God is letting you have the KKK and country music
> (except the Dixie Chicks).
>
> Just so we're clear, the country of California will be
> pro-choice,
> pro-gay marriage, and anti-war. Speaking of war, we're going to need
> all
> Blue States citizens back from Iraq. If you need people to fight in
> Falujah, just ask your evangelical voters. They have tons of kids
> they're
> willing to send to their deaths for absolutely no purpose. And they
> don't
> care if you don't show pictures of their kids' caskets coming home.
>
> So, you get Texas and all the former slave states, and we get
> the
> Governator and stem cell research. (We would love you to take
> Britney
> Spears off our hands, though. She IS from the South, right?)
>
> Since we get New York, you'll have to come up with your own late
> night
> TV shows because we get MTV, Letterman, the Daily Show, and Conan
> O'Brien.
> You get… well, why don't you ask your people at Fox News to come
> up with
> something entertaining? (Maybe you should just watch Crossfire.
> That's a
> really funny show.)
>
> We wish you all the best in the next four years and we hope,
> really
> hope, you find those missing weapons of mass destruction.
> Seriously.