Re: [greatbiggroup] Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: is it 1984?

It's more than that. It is just that a small majority has been
hallunicated into some massive mandate, which it isn't. It is
rather against the spirit of democracy to pretty much act as
imperious king instead of a leader of a democracy.

Worse yet our imperious king has done a lot of damage to US prestige
in the world. The policies of the current administation is crerating
more of the terrosists that it claims to be fighting. It is making us
less safe not more safe. It is clear the Intelligence Community could
be replaces by a bunch of bright people from MIT and CMU and a bunch of
state Universities and it would do much better.

I do think the terrorist threat is oberblown and blown up out of
proportion based on ONE DRAMATIC INCIDENT. It is odd that a pretty
much equally DRAMATIC INCIDENT in Oklahoma city did not change
business as usual or provoke any looking into how easy it is to get
dangerous materials that are untracable. Taggers can be put into dangerous
materials that can be used to track them.

My suspicion is that the September 11th Hijackers pretty much had a
string of good luck. Imagine if they had been able to carry out their
events on 31 December 1999—>Jan 1, 2000, now that would have caused
a lot more trouble. In that way we were lucky.

Of course bizarrely, and this a hint for all the art types at Rhizome
is that maybe large public celebrations are a good thing. Maybe weird
art ideas likes "sousviellence" are good ideas. N.B. Sousviellence is
the idea that all of us are so inclined should arm ourselves with cameras
and run around taking pictures of anything that suits our fancy. Maybe
we could start a new art movement called "Intelligence Art" that would
seek to convey information in addition to aesthetic value that people
expect from art. Right now "that chick at Cartome is doing a better job
at this that I am". So maybe I should shut up and go out roaming with
my camera.;) Perhaps having lots of people out roaming around and looking
at things and talking to people might be help produce real safety
rather than depenind on things like so-called "Homeland Security" to
do it for us which my suspicion is they are pretty much incapable of
doing.

In fact so far the only think I have seen out of the joint terrorism
task force is the harassment of Art Professors in Buffalo and a
Genetics Professor at the University of Pittsbirgh. This is interfereing
with the rights of American Citizens it goes far beyond just being
pissed because someone didn't win an election.

It is that the person who did win an election is very attached to this
awful piece of legislation produced in haste, that is pretty much an
unconstitutional thing that will hopefully be junked by the courts and
the other parts will be let to sunset. If there is anything that many on
the left and the right agree about, it is that the Patriot Act was an
awful idea and really does abuse the Consitutional Rights of Americans.
The US is built on the Consitution and The Bill of Rights,

The correpondent from the UK had a valid point, the UK has gone far
down the road the US has just started down and has a chance to turn off
of. The UK could turn off the path too, it will be much harder for them.
The big difference is that people in the US care about theit rights and
see them as valid and as coming from God, Nature or the Natural Rights
of Man (actually the framers probably had this order reversed, much to
the distress of the "US is a Christian Country" folks) and not from the
Crown. It is important that the US doesn't become a surviellence and
authority society. We on the West Coast and in the Northeast see this
more clearly and people in the South and the Intermuntain West seem to
miss it. But the important point is that the US is evenly divided and act
if it all agrees with the current administration is wrong and dangerous.


Have Fun,
Sends Steve


P.S. It is amusing that if I posted this message on some groups
out here I'd be upbraided as a "wishy washy liberal selling out
valid radical points of view…."


> That's an awful long response when all you are really saying is that
> you're
> sore that your candidate didn't win, and things aren't going your way.
>
> BTW, to whom were you responding? I don't recall seeing that email
> message
> on the list. This might be the only real case of a conspiracy – in this
> case, the conspiracy of Yahoo! to not deliver some messages to me, as has
> been its wont lately….
>
> …John…
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From:
> To: "Rob Myers"
> Cc: ;
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:55 PM
> Subject: [greatbiggroup] Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: is it 1984?
>
>
> >
> > Well here we aee rattled and comncerned by a small minority
> > in a very divided country re-elected a very questionable
> > administartion with a person who does behave like "King George
> > and his Republican nobles" and they plan to go on doing what
> > they have been doing no matter what the results.
> >
> > Even though things are evenly divided and there is no real
> "mandate"
> > they keep acting like there was. I used to be pretty immune to
> > the noises of conspiracy theorists but Bush is practicing one aspect
> > that dictators like to practice which is repeating things until
> > people start to believe them. This mandate thing is one of them.
> >
> > I mean there are lots of us in the "Blue World" and to ignore
> what
> > we think and act as if we are children who are just wrong who have to
> > be scolded until they see the supposed light.
> >
> > This is pretty sad for a democracty that supposedly is reponsive to
> > all the people. The even sadder thing is that I don't think the current
> > administration and the supposed inteloiigenc agencies know what is
> > going on.
> >
> > It really does make me sad. The US is a pretty sad excuse for a
> democracy
> > with a clearly written out Bill of Rights and all these great
> princiciples.
> > Right now it behaves like a power grabbing empire. No wonder a large
> portion
> > of the world hates it and wants to see it come to no good end. Alas
> those
> > people aren't the nicest of folks with clear thought either.
> >
> > What is needed is a sensible group to try to figure out what is going
> on
> > and what to do and somehow to accomplish this via legitinmate and legal
> > means. This is why I only half jokingly propose the formation of the
> > the RIA Real Intelligence Agency, to be establsihed here in Watsonville
> > which is about as far from the beltway as you can get.;)
> >
> > People have had a chance to form a reasonable and just society which
> was
> > inclive, which watched out for unintended consequences of what we did
> in
> > the past and tried to see both sides and this chance was blown.
> > Let's hope that with a bit of effort we can get it back.
> >
> > Have Fun,
> > Sends Steve
> >
> > > On 17 Nov 2004, at 22:03, atomic elroy wrote:
> > >
> > >> what fries my ass about this is how most people don't care!
> > >
> > > The criminals will just do what they've done in the UK (land of
> > > surveillance gone mad): buy baseball caps and hoodies.
> > >
> > > And dozens of bored young male camera operators will get paid for
> > > zooming in on unsuspecting young women. To be fair, they're far more
> > > easy to identify than hoodied hoodlums.
> > >
> > > Still, all the terrorists and the illegal immigrants will soon have
> > > biometric ID cards. Then we won't need the cameras any more.
> > >
> > > - Rob.
> > >
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