randomness

..how r u d.fining a non_random l.ement?



At 07:17 AM 12/07/2004, you wrote:
>–does the inclusion of random elements in an artwork
>indicate a certain ontology of the art experience?
>
>–why introduce random elements into art?
>
>–are we, when creating art, STILL simply mimicing
>non-man-made pneomena?
>
>–are these even the right questions?
>
>discuss. please.
>
>=====
>
>
>***************************************************************************
>
>Lewis LaCook
>
>net artist, poet, freelance web developer/programmer
>
>http://www.lewislacook.com/
>
>XanaxPop:Mobile Poem Blog>> http://www.lewislacook.com/xanaxpop/
>
>Stamen Pistol: http://stamenpistol.blogspot.com/
>
>Cell:440.258.9232
>
>Sidereality: http://www.sidereality.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>__________________________________
>Do you Yahoo!?
>New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!
>http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
>+
>-> post: [email protected]
>-> questions: [email protected]
>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>-> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
>+
>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php


.©[lick].
-
-

http://www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker
http://www.livejournal.com/users/netwurker/

On 11 Jul 2004, at 22:17, Color's Torrid Function! wrote:

> –does the inclusion of random elements in an artwork
> indicate a certain ontology of the art experience?

Yes. Moreover it indicates a certain ontology full stop, with
randomness given a peculiar position within it

> –why introduce random elements into art?

For non-random reasons. When it isn't a bogus substitute for creativity
randmoness is a minor fetish of the uncontrollable or unknowable. Which
is made controllable and knowable by inclusion in an artwork. Picasso's
bullfighting fixation springs to mind.

> –are we, when creating art, STILL simply mimicing
> non-man-made pneomena?

No. Painting does not exist in nature.

> –are these even the right questions?

What for?

- Rob.

–
"Smash global capitalism! Spend less money!"

Color's Torrid Function! wrote:

>–does the inclusion of random elements in an artwork
>indicate a certain ontology of the art experience?
>
>–why introduce random elements into art?
>
>
>
It is the dialog that we have with the process of observing of
ourselves. The observed self, or the object, performance, process being
created is a clear reflection of ourselves, and when we are able to gain
that distance, we become more aware of what is going on inside, we make
changes,. and then we correct the reflection to mirror ourselves once
again.
Randomness does not occur. It is a controlled element that somehow
figures in to the image that we have of ourselves.
Even when things do happen by chance, we immediately incorporate that
action into the image and judge it's relationship to the whole, and
juxtapose the whole to ourselves. If it doesnt fit, we remove it.

>–are we, when creating art, STILL simply mimicing
>non-man-made pneomena?
>
>
Hearing this,.. makes me question you ideas about nature,. and man.
Isnt Man-Made a phenomena of nature?

>–are these even the right questions?
>
>
they are always the right questions.
-jeremy


>discuss. please.
>
>=====
>
>
>





>***************************************************************************
>
>Lewis LaCook
>
>net artist, poet, freelance web developer/programmer
>
>http://www.lewislacook.com/
>
>XanaxPop:Mobile Poem Blog>> http://www.lewislacook.com/xanaxpop/
>
>Stamen Pistol: http://stamenpistol.blogspot.com/
>
>Cell:440.258.9232
>
>Sidereality: http://www.sidereality.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>__________________________________
>Do you Yahoo!?
>New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!
>http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
>+
>-> post: [email protected]
>-> questions: [email protected]
>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>-> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
>+
>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
>

>
>> –are we, when creating art, STILL simply mimicing
>> non-man-made pneomena?
>
>
> No. Painting does not exist in nature.

Once again, the question of nature. I think it is interesting that
people separate man from nature,….
the facture,. the overlap,. the abstaction, the realationships, the
results..

it is even questionable if things like the butterfly effect are even an
example of randomness.
-me

>> –are these even the right questions?
>
>
> What for?
>
to create a cause for the effect.
-me

> - Rob.
>