'piracy' update

Joy,

I still don't think they have anything on you.
You made a one of a kind original.
Tell them you will see them in court.

Why are they so afraid of the painting?
By the way has it been sold yet? What is it going for?
How is the gallery taking it. Are they going to stand their ground.

Good luck.

Cheers,
Lee


on 3/4/04 10:03, Joy Garnett at [email protected] wrote:

> wow– now they're getting formal (and REALLY nasty) about it: they are
> insisting I remove the jpeg of Molotov from my website – and they
> want thousands of dollars! AND they want my painting never to be
> reproduced or exhibited again!
>
> It seems the image on the website is a flashpoint; they're harrassing my
> gallery about it too. As though anyone even looks much at our websites…
> Maybe they will now.
>
> anyone feel like grabbing the image and putting it on their site? not
> that I'm actually suggesting it or anything (ahem). I may have to remove
> it from mine at some point, even if only temporarily, to avoid 'problems.'
>
> http://www.debsandco.com/garnett.php
> http://www.firstpulseprojects.com/joy.html
> http://www.firstpulseprojects.net/riot_2003/Molotov.html
>
>
> best,
> J
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the painting is as yet unsold. my gallery thinks they are completely out
of line. I don't htink they are afraid of the painting so much as afraid
of the reproductions, especially those on the web. the web is the
photojournalist's nightmare…



On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Lee Wells wrote:

> Joy,
>
> I still don't think they have anything on you.
> You made a one of a kind original.
> Tell them you will see them in court.
>
> Why are they so afraid of the painting?
> By the way has it been sold yet? What is it going for?
> How is the gallery taking it. Are they going to stand their ground.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Cheers,
> Lee
>
>
> on 3/4/04 10:03, Joy Garnett at [email protected] wrote:
>
> > wow– now they're getting formal (and REALLY nasty) about it: they are
> > insisting I remove the jpeg of Molotov from my website – and they
> > want thousands of dollars! AND they want my painting never to be
> > reproduced or exhibited again!
> >
> > It seems the image on the website is a flashpoint; they're harrassing my
> > gallery about it too. As though anyone even looks much at our websites…
> > Maybe they will now.
> >
> > anyone feel like grabbing the image and putting it on their site? not
> > that I'm actually suggesting it or anything (ahem). I may have to remove
> > it from mine at some point, even if only temporarily, to avoid 'problems.'
> >
> > http://www.debsandco.com/garnett.php
> > http://www.firstpulseprojects.com/joy.html
> > http://www.firstpulseprojects.net/riot_2003/Molotov.html
> >
> >
> > best,
> > J
> >
> > +
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> anyone feel like grabbing the image and putting it on their site? not
> that I'm actually suggesting it or anything (ahem). I may have to
> remove
> it from mine at some point, even if only temporarily, to avoid
> 'problems.'

start a "joywar" ;)
ryan

> start a "joywar" ;)
> ryan


that is hilarious – yep, I may have to declare, er, joywar. but I won't
be able to keep a straight face.

Joy
Is this the sort of thing you want?
http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/solidarity.html
If not mail me & I'll remove it, if yes then I
encourage others to do likewise.
best
michael
— Joy Garnett <[email protected]> wrote:
> wow– now they're getting formal (and REALLY nasty)
> about it: they are
> insisting I remove the jpeg of Molotov from my
> website – and they
> want thousands of dollars! AND they want my painting
> never to be
> reproduced or exhibited again!
>
> It seems the image on the website is a flashpoint;
> they're harrassing my
> gallery about it too. As though anyone even looks
> much at our websites…
> Maybe they will now.
>
> anyone feel like grabbing the image and putting it
> on their site? not
> that I'm actually suggesting it or anything (ahem).
> I may have to remove
> it from mine at some point, even if only
> temporarily, to avoid 'problems.'
>
> http://www.debsandco.com/garnett.php
> http://www.firstpulseprojects.com/joy.html
>
http://www.firstpulseprojects.net/riot\_2003/Molotov.html
>
>
> best,
> J
>
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oMG! that is amazing – I have to tell my lawyer about what's going on
(tomorrow afternoon). I'm actually feeling a bit down about it all today,
and my perspective is skewed. I LOVE that you would be willing to commit
to such an action and it makes me feel like if I really have to embark on
a joywar (smirk) you guys are behind me (chomping at the bit as it were).

so my sense is that joywar has not yet been declared, but rallying the
troops is in order…

x
J



On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Michael Szpakowski wrote:

> Joy
> Is this the sort of thing you want?
> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/solidarity.html
> If not mail me & I'll remove it, if yes then I
> encourage others to do likewise.
> best
> michael
> — Joy Garnett <[email protected]> wrote:
> > wow– now they're getting formal (and REALLY nasty)
> > about it: they are
> > insisting I remove the jpeg of Molotov from my
> > website – and they
> > want thousands of dollars! AND they want my painting
> > never to be
> > reproduced or exhibited again!
> >
> > It seems the image on the website is a flashpoint;
> > they're harrassing my
> > gallery about it too. As though anyone even looks
> > much at our websites…
> > Maybe they will now.
> >
> > anyone feel like grabbing the image and putting it
> > on their site? not
> > that I'm actually suggesting it or anything (ahem).
> > I may have to remove
> > it from mine at some point, even if only
> > temporarily, to avoid 'problems.'
> >
> > http://www.debsandco.com/garnett.php
> > http://www.firstpulseprojects.com/joy.html
> >
> http://www.firstpulseprojects.net/riot\_2003/Molotov.html
> >
> >
> > best,
> > J
> >
> > +
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I smell a Net Art News! TITLE: joywar!

– agent.r



On Mar 4, 2004, at 11:45 AM, t.whid wrote:

> JOYWAR! JOYWAR! JOYWAR! JOYWAR!
>
> I'll sign-up to be a joy.WARRIOR!
>
> http://www.twhid.com/misc/joy/molotov/
>
> call me agent.COPYCAT
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2004, at 11:14 AM, ryan griffis wrote:
>
>>> anyone feel like grabbing the image and putting it on their site? not
>>> that I'm actually suggesting it or anything (ahem). I may have to
>>> remove
>>> it from mine at some point, even if only temporarily, to avoid
>>> 'problems.'
>>
>> start a "joywar" ;)
>> ryan
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Joy:

I put it in my links.
http://www.leewells.org/joy/Molotov.html

Cheers,
Lee

on 3/4/04 11:12, Joy Garnett at [email protected] wrote:

> the painting is as yet unsold. my gallery thinks they are completely out
> of line. I don't htink they are afraid of the painting so much as afraid
> of the reproductions, especially those on the web. the web is the
> photojournalist's nightmare…
>
>
>
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Lee Wells wrote:
>
>> Joy,
>>
>> I still don't think they have anything on you.
>> You made a one of a kind original.
>> Tell them you will see them in court.
>>
>> Why are they so afraid of the painting?
>> By the way has it been sold yet? What is it going for?
>> How is the gallery taking it. Are they going to stand their ground.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Lee
>>
>>
>> on 3/4/04 10:03, Joy Garnett at [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> wow– now they're getting formal (and REALLY nasty) about it: they are
>>> insisting I remove the jpeg of Molotov from my website – and they
>>> want thousands of dollars! AND they want my painting never to be
>>> reproduced or exhibited again!
>>>
>>> It seems the image on the website is a flashpoint; they're harrassing my
>>> gallery about it too. As though anyone even looks much at our websites…
>>> Maybe they will now.
>>>
>>> anyone feel like grabbing the image and putting it on their site? not
>>> that I'm actually suggesting it or anything (ahem). I may have to remove
>>> it from mine at some point, even if only temporarily, to avoid 'problems.'
>>>
>>> http://www.debsandco.com/garnett.php
>>> http://www.firstpulseprojects.com/joy.html
>>> http://www.firstpulseprojects.net/riot_2003/Molotov.html
>>>
>>>
>>> best,
>>> J
>>>
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OMG I don't know whether I can afford to stop laughing *now* – yesterday
I tried to buy a pirate's eyepatch from the paper party store on 86th and
Lex – they said they were out of stock (!)– you think there's a run on
them??

an Lee: thanx! but the peg isn't downloading…



On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Rachel Greene wrote:

> I smell a Net Art News! TITLE: joywar!
>
> – agent.r
>
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2004, at 11:45 AM, t.whid wrote:
>
> > JOYWAR! JOYWAR! JOYWAR! JOYWAR!
> >
> > I'll sign-up to be a joy.WARRIOR!
> >
> > http://www.twhid.com/misc/joy/molotov/
> >
> > call me agent.COPYCAT
> >
> >
> > On Mar 4, 2004, at 11:14 AM, ryan griffis wrote:
> >
> >>> anyone feel like grabbing the image and putting it on their site? not
> >>> that I'm actually suggesting it or anything (ahem). I may have to
> >>> remove
> >>> it from mine at some point, even if only temporarily, to avoid
> >>> 'problems.'
> >>
> >> start a "joywar" ;)
> >> ryan
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maybe cory will let you borrow his hat:

http://www.twhid.com/photos/pirated_movie/index-Pages/Image33.html

On Mar 4, 2004, at 1:29 PM, Joy Garnett wrote:

> OMG I don't know whether I can afford to stop laughing *now* –
> yesterday
> I tried to buy a pirate's eyepatch from the paper party store on 86th
> and
> Lex – they said they were out of stock (!)– you think there's a run
> on
> them??
>
> an Lee: thanx! but the peg isn't downloading…
>

===
<twhid>http://www.mteww.com</twhid>
===

Hey Joy,

It should be working now.
Sorry about that.
Please let me know if all is good.
Cheers,
Lee

on 3/4/04 13:29, Joy Garnett at [email protected] wrote:

> OMG I don't know whether I can afford to stop laughing *now* – yesterday
> I tried to buy a pirate's eyepatch from the paper party store on 86th and
> Lex – they said they were out of stock (!)– you think there's a run on
> them??
>
> an Lee: thanx! but the peg isn't downloading…
>
>
>
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Rachel Greene wrote:
>
>> I smell a Net Art News! TITLE: joywar!
>>
>> – agent.r
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2004, at 11:45 AM, t.whid wrote:
>>
>>> JOYWAR! JOYWAR! JOYWAR! JOYWAR!
>>>
>>> I'll sign-up to be a joy.WARRIOR!
>>>
>>> http://www.twhid.com/misc/joy/molotov/
>>>
>>> call me agent.COPYCAT
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2004, at 11:14 AM, ryan griffis wrote:
>>>
>>>>> anyone feel like grabbing the image and putting it on their site? not
>>>>> that I'm actually suggesting it or anything (ahem). I may have to
>>>>> remove
>>>>> it from mine at some point, even if only temporarily, to avoid
>>>>> 'problems.'
>>>>
>>>> start a "joywar" ;)
>>>> ryan
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ghaack! I have to have one!


> maybe cory will let you borrow his hat:

> http://www.twhid.com/photos/pirated_movie/index-Pages/Image33.html

joy garnett wrote:

>
>
> ghaack!
>

invert pirate x 2

http://tinjail.com/joy/

is there a webring in the works?
http://www.yougenics.net/griffis/
like the inverted image ;)

http://www.robertspahr.com/joy/

pirate x 3

:-D



M. River wrote:
> joy garnett wrote:
>
>
>>
>>ghaack!
>>
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–


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that one's work is terribly important." - Bertrand Russel

I love the idea of making artworks!
http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/Some\_QuickTime\_Movies/art.mov
michael
— Robert Spahr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> http://www.robertspahr.com/joy/
>
> pirate x 3
>
> :-D
>
>
>
> M. River wrote:
> > joy garnett wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>ghaack!
> >>
> >
> >
> > invert pirate x 2
> >
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> –
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>
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> Russel
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thank you all again!

and sheesh, I'm at work on this blasted PC that can't run Quicktime – I
can't wait to see this at home :)

J



On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Michael Szpakowski wrote:

> I love the idea of making artworks!
> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/Some\_QuickTime\_Movies/art.mov
> michael
> — Robert Spahr <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.robertspahr.com/joy/
> >
> > pirate x 3
> >
> > :-D
> >
> >
> >
> > M. River wrote:
> > > joy garnett wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>ghaack!
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > invert pirate x 2
> > >
> > > http://tinjail.com/joy/
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> >
> > Robert Spahr
> >
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> > breakdown is the belief
> > that one's work is terribly important." - Bertrand
> > Russel
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Lazy ignorant input lies to MANIK(We talking about comrade Szpakowski).His
tiersfull eyes can't read fact's.And,in generally- to say something about
woman and child…Voila-tiers,tiers,tiers.Read facts,have you ever heard for
Internet shity idiot?
Who paid you to cry and lay over facts?
And after all-nothing!He wrote:"I love the idea of making artworks!"You
hardly can make your own shit.And he sleep like microbe,empty and happy.He
"know' about everything like most of his sort(idealistic retro Marxist
motherfucker),but actually he is dangerous example.He forgot problem before
he finished with writing about same one.
MANIK

FACTS:
About natality in Kosovo:
www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/kosovo-problem-genesis.html - 5k
www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/astronomical-natality.html - 10k
www.rastko.org.yu/istorija/srbi-balkan/mradovanovic-kosovo.html
About Kosovo&Heroine
www.iwpr.net/archive/bcr/bcr_20000523_2_fre.txt - 5k
www.nisat.org/blackmarket/europe/South_Europe/yugoslavia/98.06.22-Albanians%
20Fund%20Arms%20Purchase … - 5k -
www.freespeech.com/archives/000986.html - 63k -
news.suc.org/bydate/2000/Mar_31/1.html - 9k

—– Original Message —–
From: "Michael Szpakowski" <[email protected]>
To: "Robert Spahr" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Cc: "M. River" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: Re: 'piracy' update


> I love the idea of making artworks!
> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/Some_QuickTime_Movies/art.mov
> michael
> — Robert Spahr <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.robertspahr.com/joy/
> >
> > pirate x 3
> >
> > :-D
> >
> >
> >
> > M. River wrote:
> > > joy garnett wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>ghaack!
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > invert pirate x 2
> > >
> > > http://tinjail.com/joy/
> > >
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> > –
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> >
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> >
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> > breakdown is the belief
> > that one's work is terribly important." - Bertrand
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I'll..um.. take that as a compliment then!:)
— manik <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lazy ignorant input lies to MANIK(We talking about
> comrade Szpakowski).His
> tiersfull eyes can't read fact's.And,in generally-
> to say something about
> woman and child…Voila-tiers,tiers,tiers.Read
> facts,have you ever heard for
> Internet shity idiot?
> Who paid you to cry and lay over facts?
> And after all-nothing!He wrote:"I love the idea of
> making artworks!"You
> hardly can make your own shit.And he sleep like
> microbe,empty and happy.He
> "know' about everything like most of his
> sort(idealistic retro Marxist
> motherfucker),but actually he is dangerous
> example.He forgot problem before
> he finished with writing about same one.
> MANIK
>
> FACTS:
> About natality in Kosovo:
>
www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/kosovo-problem-genesis.html
> - 5k
>
www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/astronomical-natality.html
> - 10k
>
www.rastko.org.yu/istorija/srbi-balkan/mradovanovic-kosovo.html
> About Kosovo&Heroine
> www.iwpr.net/archive/bcr/bcr\_20000523\_2\_fre.txt - 5k
>
www.nisat.org/blackmarket/europe/South\_Europe/yugoslavia/98.06.22-Albanians\%
> 20Fund\%20Arms\%20Purchase … - 5k -
> www.freespeech.com/archives/000986.html - 63k -
> news.suc.org/bydate/2000/Mar\_31/1.html - 9k
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Michael Szpakowski" <[email protected]>
> To: "Robert Spahr" <[email protected]>;
> <[email protected]>
> Cc: "M. River" <[email protected]>;
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: Re: Re: Re: 'piracy'
> update
>
>
> > I love the idea of making artworks!
> >
>
http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/Some\_QuickTime\_Movies/art.mov
> > michael
> > — Robert Spahr <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.robertspahr.com/joy/
> > >
> > > pirate x 3
> > >
> > > :-D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > M. River wrote:
> > > > joy garnett wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>ghaack!
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > invert pirate x 2
> > > >
> > > > http://tinjail.com/joy/
> > > >
> > > > +
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> > > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
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> is
> > > open to non-members
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> terms
> > > set out in the
> > > > Membership Agreement available online at
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > –
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert Spahr
> > >
> > > "One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous
> > > breakdown is the belief
> > > that one's work is terribly important." -
> Bertrand
> > > Russel
> > >
> > >
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> I'll..um..
That's the best you invited in last few days.Now:read,learn,try to respect
facts,don't lie…etc
MANIK



—– Original Message —–
From: "Michael Szpakowski" <[email protected]>
To: "manik" <[email protected]>; "Robert Spahr" <[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>
Cc: "M. River" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: Re: 'piracy' update


> I'll..um.. take that as a compliment then!:)
> — manik <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Lazy ignorant input lies to MANIK(We talking about
> > comrade Szpakowski).His
> > tiersfull eyes can't read fact's.And,in generally-
> > to say something about
> > woman and child…Voila-tiers,tiers,tiers.Read
> > facts,have you ever heard for
> > Internet shity idiot?
> > Who paid you to cry and lay over facts?
> > And after all-nothing!He wrote:"I love the idea of
> > making artworks!"You
> > hardly can make your own shit.And he sleep like
> > microbe,empty and happy.He
> > "know' about everything like most of his
> > sort(idealistic retro Marxist
> > motherfucker),but actually he is dangerous
> > example.He forgot problem before
> > he finished with writing about same one.
> > MANIK
> >
> > FACTS:
> > About natality in Kosovo:
> >
> www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/kosovo-problem-genesis.html
> > - 5k
> >
> www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/astronomical-natality.html
> > - 10k
> >
> www.rastko.org.yu/istorija/srbi-balkan/mradovanovic-kosovo.html
> > About Kosovo&Heroine
> > www.iwpr.net/archive/bcr/bcr_20000523_2_fre.txt - 5k
> >
>
www.nisat.org/blackmarket/europe/South_Europe/yugoslavia/98.06.22-Albanians%
> > 20Fund%20Arms%20Purchase … - 5k -
> > www.freespeech.com/archives/000986.html - 63k -
> > news.suc.org/bydate/2000/Mar_31/1.html - 9k
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "Michael Szpakowski" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Robert Spahr" <[email protected]>;
> > <[email protected]>
> > Cc: "M. River" <[email protected]>;
> > <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: Re: 'piracy'
> > update
> >
> >
> > > I love the idea of making artworks!
> > >
> >
> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/Some_QuickTime_Movies/art.mov
> > > michael

Hey Joy,

Probably would be good to post the actual contents of the legal correspondence somewhere. They can't do anything to stop you, and reading the words of lawyers always helps people get outraged …

F.

joy garnett wrote:

> wow– now they're getting formal (and REALLY nasty) about it: they are
> insisting I remove the jpeg of Molotov from my website – and they
> want thousands of dollars! AND they want my painting never to be
> reproduced or exhibited again!
>
> It seems the image on the website is a flashpoint; they're harrassing
> my
> gallery about it too. As though anyone even looks much at our
> websites…
> Maybe they will now.
>
> anyone feel like grabbing the image and putting it on their site? not
> that I'm actually suggesting it or anything (ahem). I may have to
> remove
> it from mine at some point, even if only temporarily, to avoid
> 'problems.'
>
> http://www.debsandco.com/garnett.php
> http://www.firstpulseprojects.com/joy.html
> http://www.firstpulseprojects.net/riot_2003/Molotov.html
>
>
> best,
> J
>

Best Place :
http://www.chillingeffects.org/


On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 11:39 AM, Francis Hwang wrote:

> Hey Joy,
>
> Probably would be good to post the actual contents of the legal
> correspondence somewhere. They can't do anything to stop you, and
> reading the words of lawyers always helps people get outraged …
>
> F.
>
> joy garnett wrote:

hi Francis,

Well no doubt in my mind, anyone reading this particular lawyer's letters
would be outraged–that includes my own lawyer. Apparently talking to the
plaintiff's lawyer on the phone is no fun either – I've been
spared that experience.

It wouldn't be wise or even ethical for me to post legal docs though –
plus, it's so much gobbledy-gook and case law thrown in, it's mostly
bombast and boring. 18 pages of boring.

I don't even want to divulge the identity of the plaintiff–I would like
to keep that quiet. She may be agressing me here, but I am only
interested in her leaving me alone–not smearing her. Imagine if I posted
her name on the list!

I'm actually more interested in our discussing the subject here in the
abstract as much as possible– it's an excuse for us to discuss these
issues, copyright, sampling, fair use, art, appropriation, yadayada–
the changing culture–these are OUR issues and it's important to address
them.

Anyway, I would be really happy if both parties resolved this load of crap
they're throwing at me and didn't have to spend the money in court
(it's expensive enough right now– I would need a defense fund if it
wwent to trial) –even though they don't have a solid case, even if I were
to win, it would still be a nightmarish, exhausting and ultimately
wasteful experience.

If it all goes "public" however–if they go forward with the injunction
–then it's public information and everyone gets to know the who and
what of it… and report on what they know.

(sorry to disappoint! – more to come though…)
best,
Joy



On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Francis Hwang wrote:

> Hey Joy,
>
> Probably would be good to post the actual contents of the legal correspondence somewhere. They can't do anything to stop you, and reading the words of lawyers always helps people get outraged …
>
> F.
>
>

On 8 Mar 2004, at 17:16, Joy Garnett wrote:

> It wouldn't be wise or even ethical for me to post legal docs though –
> plus, it's so much gobbledy-gook and case law thrown in, it's mostly
> bombast and boring. 18 pages of boring.

Groklaw does a good job of it. It can be informative and bring people
togetehr (not to mention be cathartic) to see what actually goes on.

You can always white-out the photographer's name if you're worried
they'll get mailbombed. :-)

Good luck.

- Rob.

well then… if/when the time comes… I'm trying for quieting it down as
opposed to a meltdown though! but yeah, that would be the place. Groklaw
is very cool, regardless. thanks for the suggestion Rob –

best,
J


On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Rob Myers wrote:

> On 8 Mar 2004, at 17:16, Joy Garnett wrote:
>
> > It wouldn't be wise or even ethical for me to post legal docs though –
> > plus, it's so much gobbledy-gook and case law thrown in, it's mostly
> > bombast and boring. 18 pages of boring.
>
> Groklaw does a good job of it. It can be informative and bring people
> togetehr (not to mention be cathartic) to see what actually goes on.
>
> You can always white-out the photographer's name if you're worried
> they'll get mailbombed. :-)
>
> Good luck.
>
> - Rob.
>
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