Question?

Question?

So as the mapping of Internet creativity continues are the more independent
groups going to be ignored due to nationalist preferences and institutional
gate-keeping?

If this is the case how do we change this?

marc

Comments

, Liza Sabater

On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 03:52 PM, marc garrett wrote:

> Question?
>
> So as the mapping of Internet creativity continues are the more
> independent
> groups going to be ignored due to nationalist preferences and
> institutional
> gate-keeping?
>
> If this is the case how do we change this?
>
> marc
>

Hi Marc,

I say, make your organization less browser dependent and, in that same
vein, more interactive outside of the browser. Meaning, WAP, RSS, PDA
friendly. Make it easy for people to trackback, ping, linkback (or
whatever it is you want to call it) your content. Make it easy for
others to create a web of context around your site. Will it create more
hassles like comment-spam? Absolutely, that may well be the case. But
the internet is not just about content, it's about people and the only
way you're going to get people to commit to your message is by engaging
them in a dialogue. And just getting them into your site is not enough.

The web browser does not scale. With an aggregator, I can scan more
than 300 sites on a daily basis. Back in the old days, I could view
most of the web on a week (1995). You've just gotta make it easier for
people to get to furtherfield. I mean, I rarely go to Rhizome's front
door –because I have no incentive to do so. On the other hand, with
Rhizome Raw, even if it does not have the activity of its hey-day it is
still the most interesting thing Rhizome has to offer because it is
Rhizome's social space. If I could have it on my aggregator, it would
make me even happier.

Furtherfield is a fabulous site with a lot of interesting stuff to look
at –but I have to go to your front door to know what's new. I'm sorry
but the ease of looking at more than 300 sites in under an hour will
kick out any non-syndicated sites from my "Must See" list. And, no, RSS
is not just a geek thing. MyYahoo! just introduced an RSS module to
their services. They made email ubiquitous, I am sure that they'll do
the same with RSS.

So the moral of the story is: Make it easy for your potential audience
to get to your content in as many ways as possible. I mean, your site
is supported by the BBC. Make sure you check their web-dev process. I
read their specs were floating somewhere on Kazaa.

Best,

l i z a
=========================
www.culturekitchen.com

, marc garrett

Hi LIza,

You did not answer the question its self but you certainly opened it up to
excellent other ideas - with a genuine response which has triggered off some
fresh cranium shifts, answering many other issues that we are in the motions
of trying to sort out - which is pretty cool…

How much do you charge for such a quality consultation?

You've cheered me up Liza, an excellent email, much thanx :-)

marc




>
> Hi Marc,
>
> I say, make your organization less browser dependent and, in that same
> vein, more interactive outside of the browser. Meaning, WAP, RSS, PDA
> friendly. Make it easy for people to trackback, ping, linkback (or
> whatever it is you want to call it) your content. Make it easy for
> others to create a web of context around your site. Will it create more
> hassles like comment-spam? Absolutely, that may well be the case. But
> the internet is not just about content, it's about people and the only
> way you're going to get people to commit to your message is by engaging
> them in a dialogue. And just getting them into your site is not enough.
>
> The web browser does not scale. With an aggregator, I can scan more
> than 300 sites on a daily basis. Back in the old days, I could view
> most of the web on a week (1995). You've just gotta make it easier for
> people to get to furtherfield. I mean, I rarely go to Rhizome's front
> door –because I have no incentive to do so. On the other hand, with
> Rhizome Raw, even if it does not have the activity of its hey-day it is
> still the most interesting thing Rhizome has to offer because it is
> Rhizome's social space. If I could have it on my aggregator, it would
> make me even happier.
>
> Furtherfield is a fabulous site with a lot of interesting stuff to look
> at –but I have to go to your front door to know what's new. I'm sorry
> but the ease of looking at more than 300 sites in under an hour will
> kick out any non-syndicated sites from my "Must See" list. And, no, RSS
> is not just a geek thing. MyYahoo! just introduced an RSS module to
> their services. They made email ubiquitous, I am sure that they'll do
> the same with RSS.
>
> So the moral of the story is: Make it easy for your potential audience
> to get to your content in as many ways as possible. I mean, your site
> is supported by the BBC. Make sure you check their web-dev process. I
> read their specs were floating somewhere on Kazaa.
>
> Best,
>
> l i z a
> =========================
> www.culturekitchen.com
>
>
>
>
>

, Lee Wells

Hi Liza,

I must agree with Marc.
I think that was one of the most concise and important things stated here in
quite a while.

Kudos

Cheers,
Lee

on 2/5/04 20:20, marc garrett at [email protected] wrote:

> Hi LIza,
>
> You did not answer the question its self but you certainly opened it up to
> excellent other ideas - with a genuine response which has triggered off some
> fresh cranium shifts, answering many other issues that we are in the motions
> of trying to sort out - which is pretty cool…
>
> How much do you charge for such a quality consultation?
>
> You've cheered me up Liza, an excellent email, much thanx :-)
>
> marc
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> I say, make your organization less browser dependent and, in that same
>> vein, more interactive outside of the browser. Meaning, WAP, RSS, PDA
>> friendly. Make it easy for people to trackback, ping, linkback (or
>> whatever it is you want to call it) your content. Make it easy for
>> others to create a web of context around your site. Will it create more
>> hassles like comment-spam? Absolutely, that may well be the case. But
>> the internet is not just about content, it's about people and the only
>> way you're going to get people to commit to your message is by engaging
>> them in a dialogue. And just getting them into your site is not enough.
>>
>> The web browser does not scale. With an aggregator, I can scan more
>> than 300 sites on a daily basis. Back in the old days, I could view
>> most of the web on a week (1995). You've just gotta make it easier for
>> people to get to furtherfield. I mean, I rarely go to Rhizome's front
>> door –because I have no incentive to do so. On the other hand, with
>> Rhizome Raw, even if it does not have the activity of its hey-day it is
>> still the most interesting thing Rhizome has to offer because it is
>> Rhizome's social space. If I could have it on my aggregator, it would
>> make me even happier.
>>
>> Furtherfield is a fabulous site with a lot of interesting stuff to look
>> at –but I have to go to your front door to know what's new. I'm sorry
>> but the ease of looking at more than 300 sites in under an hour will
>> kick out any non-syndicated sites from my "Must See" list. And, no, RSS
>> is not just a geek thing. MyYahoo! just introduced an RSS module to
>> their services. They made email ubiquitous, I am sure that they'll do
>> the same with RSS.
>>
>> So the moral of the story is: Make it easy for your potential audience
>> to get to your content in as many ways as possible. I mean, your site
>> is supported by the BBC. Make sure you check their web-dev process. I
>> read their specs were floating somewhere on Kazaa.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> l i z a
>> =========================
>> www.culturekitchen.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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, Matthew Mascotte

Liza-

No doubt, that is the most articulate and savvy
networking strategy i've seen in a long while…


respects,

Matthew

On Thursday, February 05, 2004, at 05:12PM, liza sabater <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 03:52 PM, marc garrett wrote:
>
>> Question?
>>
>> So as the mapping of Internet creativity continues are the more
>> independent
>> groups going to be ignored due to nationalist preferences and
>> institutional
>> gate-keeping?
>>
>> If this is the case how do we change this?
>>
>> marc
>>
>
>Hi Marc,
>
>I say, make your organization less browser dependent and, in that same
>vein, more interactive outside of the browser. Meaning, WAP, RSS, PDA
>friendly. Make it easy for people to trackback, ping, linkback (or
>whatever it is you want to call it) your content. Make it easy for
>others to create a web of context around your site. Will it create more
>hassles like comment-spam? Absolutely, that may well be the case. But
>the internet is not just about content, it's about people and the only
>way you're going to get people to commit to your message is by engaging
>them in a dialogue. And just getting them into your site is not enough.
>
>The web browser does not scale. With an aggregator, I can scan more
>than 300 sites on a daily basis. Back in the old days, I could view
>most of the web on a week (1995). You've just gotta make it easier for
>people to get to furtherfield. I mean, I rarely go to Rhizome's front
>door –because I have no incentive to do so. On the other hand, with
>Rhizome Raw, even if it does not have the activity of its hey-day it is
>still the most interesting thing Rhizome has to offer because it is
>Rhizome's social space. If I could have it on my aggregator, it would
>make me even happier.
>
>Furtherfield is a fabulous site with a lot of interesting stuff to look
>at –but I have to go to your front door to know what's new. I'm sorry
>but the ease of looking at more than 300 sites in under an hour will
>kick out any non-syndicated sites from my "Must See" list. And, no, RSS
>is not just a geek thing. MyYahoo! just introduced an RSS module to
>their services. They made email ubiquitous, I am sure that they'll do
>the same with RSS.
>
>So the moral of the story is: Make it easy for your potential audience
>to get to your content in as many ways as possible. I mean, your site
>is supported by the BBC. Make sure you check their web-dev process. I
>read their specs were floating somewhere on Kazaa.
>
>Best,
>
>l i z a
>=========================
>www.culturekitchen.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

, Rachel Greene

I also wouldn't characterize those who aren't interested in
participating as being subject to nationalist preferences or
gate-keeping. Seems a cynical evaluation of a group of (chiefly) highly
intelligent, net-savvy, international, free-thinking people, and it's
not exactly an inviting or inclusive mode of address towards your
potential peers. – Rachel

On Feb 6, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Matthew Mascotte wrote:

>
> Liza-
>
> No doubt, that is the most articulate and savvy
> networking strategy i've seen in a long while…
>
>
> respects,
>
> Matthew
>
> On Thursday, February 05, 2004, at 05:12PM, liza sabater
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 03:52 PM, marc garrett wrote:
>>
>>> Question?
>>>
>>> So as the mapping of Internet creativity continues are the more
>>> independent
>>> groups going to be ignored due to nationalist preferences and
>>> institutional
>>> gate-keeping?
>>>
>>> If this is the case how do we change this?
>>>
>>> marc
>>>
>>
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> I say, make your organization less browser dependent and, in that same
>> vein, more interactive outside of the browser. Meaning, WAP, RSS, PDA
>> friendly. Make it easy for people to trackback, ping, linkback (or
>> whatever it is you want to call it) your content. Make it easy for
>> others to create a web of context around your site. Will it create
>> more
>> hassles like comment-spam? Absolutely, that may well be the case. But
>> the internet is not just about content, it's about people and the only
>> way you're going to get people to commit to your message is by
>> engaging
>> them in a dialogue. And just getting them into your site is not
>> enough.
>>
>> The web browser does not scale. With an aggregator, I can scan more
>> than 300 sites on a daily basis. Back in the old days, I could view
>> most of the web on a week (1995). You've just gotta make it easier for
>> people to get to furtherfield. I mean, I rarely go to Rhizome's front
>> door –because I have no incentive to do so. On the other hand, with
>> Rhizome Raw, even if it does not have the activity of its hey-day it
>> is
>> still the most interesting thing Rhizome has to offer because it is
>> Rhizome's social space. If I could have it on my aggregator, it would
>> make me even happier.
>>
>> Furtherfield is a fabulous site with a lot of interesting stuff to
>> look
>> at –but I have to go to your front door to know what's new. I'm sorry
>> but the ease of looking at more than 300 sites in under an hour will
>> kick out any non-syndicated sites from my "Must See" list. And, no,
>> RSS
>> is not just a geek thing. MyYahoo! just introduced an RSS module to
>> their services. They made email ubiquitous, I am sure that they'll do
>> the same with RSS.
>>
>> So the moral of the story is: Make it easy for your potential audience
>> to get to your content in as many ways as possible. I mean, your site
>> is supported by the BBC. Make sure you check their web-dev process. I
>> read their specs were floating somewhere on Kazaa.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> l i z a
>> =========================
>> www.culturekitchen.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> -> questions: [email protected]
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, Liza Sabater

On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 08:20 PM, marc garrett wrote:

> Hi LIza,
>
> You did not answer the question its self but you certainly opened it
> up to
> excellent other ideas - with a genuine response which has triggered
> off some
> fresh cranium shifts, answering many other issues that we are in the
> motions
> of trying to sort out - which is pretty cool…

[blush]

> How much do you charge for such a quality consultation?

by looks of my bank account not enough :)

>
> You've cheered me up Liza, an excellent email, much thanx :-)

well, you're very welcome.


l i z a
=========================
www.culturekitchen.com

, Liza Sabater

On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 11:04 PM, Lee Wells wrote:

> Hi Liza,
>
> I must agree with Marc.
> I think that was one of the most concise and important things stated
> here in
> quite a while.
>
> Kudos
>
> Cheers,
> Lee

Hi Lee,

Thanks.

It's an issue that's been under my radar for some time.
I'll be blogging more about this and cross-post here.
Cheers.

l i z a
=========================
www.culturekitchen.com

, marc garrett

Hi Rachel,

I would answer this but very ill at the moment, just got back from being in
hospital, Gastritus & Kidney problems…not much fun.

So i'll have to refrain from getting into an argument here - time for sleep.

marc

>
> I also wouldn't characterize those who aren't interested in
> participating as being subject to nationalist preferences or
> gate-keeping. Seems a cynical evaluation of a group of (chiefly) highly
> intelligent, net-savvy, international, free-thinking people, and it's
> not exactly an inviting or inclusive mode of address towards your
> potential peers. – Rachel
>
> On Feb 6, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Matthew Mascotte wrote:
>
>>
>> Liza-
>>
>> No doubt, that is the most articulate and savvy
>> networking strategy i've seen in a long while…
>>
>>
>> respects,
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> On Thursday, February 05, 2004, at 05:12PM, liza sabater
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 03:52 PM, marc garrett wrote:
>>>
>>>> Question?
>>>>
>>>> So as the mapping of Internet creativity continues are the more
>>>> independent
>>>> groups going to be ignored due to nationalist preferences and
>>>> institutional
>>>> gate-keeping?
>>>>
>>>> If this is the case how do we change this?
>>>>
>>>> marc
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Marc,
>>>
>>> I say, make your organization less browser dependent and, in that same
>>> vein, more interactive outside of the browser. Meaning, WAP, RSS, PDA
>>> friendly. Make it easy for people to trackback, ping, linkback (or
>>> whatever it is you want to call it) your content. Make it easy for
>>> others to create a web of context around your site. Will it create
>>> more
>>> hassles like comment-spam? Absolutely, that may well be the case. But
>>> the internet is not just about content, it's about people and the only
>>> way you're going to get people to commit to your message is by
>>> engaging
>>> them in a dialogue. And just getting them into your site is not
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> The web browser does not scale. With an aggregator, I can scan more
>>> than 300 sites on a daily basis. Back in the old days, I could view
>>> most of the web on a week (1995). You've just gotta make it easier for
>>> people to get to furtherfield. I mean, I rarely go to Rhizome's front
>>> door –because I have no incentive to do so. On the other hand, with
>>> Rhizome Raw, even if it does not have the activity of its hey-day it
>>> is
>>> still the most interesting thing Rhizome has to offer because it is
>>> Rhizome's social space. If I could have it on my aggregator, it would
>>> make me even happier.
>>>
>>> Furtherfield is a fabulous site with a lot of interesting stuff to
>>> look
>>> at –but I have to go to your front door to know what's new. I'm sorry
>>> but the ease of looking at more than 300 sites in under an hour will
>>> kick out any non-syndicated sites from my "Must See" list. And, no,
>>> RSS
>>> is not just a geek thing. MyYahoo! just introduced an RSS module to
>>> their services. They made email ubiquitous, I am sure that they'll do
>>> the same with RSS.
>>>
>>> So the moral of the story is: Make it easy for your potential audience
>>> to get to your content in as many ways as possible. I mean, your site
>>> is supported by the BBC. Make sure you check their web-dev process. I
>>> read their specs were floating somewhere on Kazaa.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> l i z a
>>> =========================
>>> www.culturekitchen.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
> +
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> -> questions: [email protected]
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> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>

, chris webb

The critique on the furtherfield site is amusing - you've done Jakob Nielsen proud.