Dear rhizomers,
notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.
Which are the dynamics of mailing lists as social groups? How do they
organize themselves? Who are the main speakers and who the most socially
visual persons in those groups?
http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/
Ever wondered how the rhizome list would look like if you wanted to draw a
map of it?
http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=rhizome
All emails to the list are beeing plotted as they happen, which makes these
diagrams almost *live* snapshots of the current status of the lists.
Although on the works is a version which will let you see straight into your
inbox, in the time beeing if anyone has further ideas on lists you'd like to
see, please drop me a line.
behave,
-marcos
you are being mapped
-
Type: discussion
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Well that's the coolest thing I've seen all day. And I'm in the center! Ha!
That's odd, because my "day job" is working on a mailing list manager:
http://dadamail.org
If there's anything you'd like to integrate in the application level of my
MLM, like some sort of interesting API, let me know :) It may make an
interesting side project, as I'm going to be beefing up the Discussion list
support of it in a few weeks time.
Justin Simoni | http://justinsimoni.com | 720 436 7701
- Starving artist by day,
- Poetic philosopher by night
- Computer programmer in the wee hours.
On 1/6/04 9:18 PM, "marcos weskamp" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear rhizomers,
>
> notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.
>
> Which are the dynamics of mailing lists as social groups? How do they
> organize themselves? Who are the main speakers and who the most socially
> visual persons in those groups?
> http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/
>
> Ever wondered how the rhizome list would look like if you wanted to draw a
> map of it?
> http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=rhizome
>
> All emails to the list are beeing plotted as they happen, which makes these
> diagrams almost *live* snapshots of the current status of the lists.
> Although on the works is a version which will let you see straight into your
> inbox, in the time beeing if anyone has further ideas on lists you'd like to
> see, please drop me a line.
>
> behave,
>
> -marcos
>
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
NEO-MIMESIS
Voluntarily participation in different kind of "social action"(answering on
every kind of question)suit nice to cyber space.Singularity is replaced with
general scanning,instead recognized personal image people agree to be part
of social DNK.Interesting!
E.Canetti in "Masse und Macht"pointed question as "sting",attack,ones and
forever stick in(singular)body.
Masse und Macht,chapter"Question and answer"(page 241);In one Serbian
story"Around noon young girl sleep in grass.Her boyfriend was awake and
think about how to get a rid of her.Than came "Noon Woman"and start to ask
him a question.He answered,but she had new and new question.After one hour
his hart was broken.She ask him until he died."(origin:Wendishe
Sagen,pub.Siebera,Jena 1925).
This action(>
http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=rhizome)
belong to corpus of unconceshnes investigation,and like the other of same
kind could be interesting for somebody(not just for Marcos).Typical product
of neoliberalism and globalism.After all we belong,we are prisoner,of those
ideological formation.All answer we give to anybody are part of giant
image,ultra mimesis of epoque without individuality.
Of course,there's some ideas which pretend to do something
else-ALTERGLOBALISM.For beginning- George Monbio:The age of consent…
Anyway;how can I be sure for destination of all that material?I strongly
belief that it could bee opposite of neo-mimesis,necrophilia exploitation
of(generally)innocent "subject".
MANIK
—– Original Message —–
From: "marcos weskamp" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:18 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: you are being mapped
> Dear rhizomers,
>
> notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.
>
> Which are the dynamics of mailing lists as social groups? How do they
> organize themselves? Who are the main speakers and who the most socially
> visual persons in those groups?
> http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/
>
> Ever wondered how the rhizome list would look like if you wanted to draw a
> map of it?
> http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=rhizome
>
> All emails to the list are beeing plotted as they happen, which makes
these
> diagrams almost *live* snapshots of the current status of the lists.
> Although on the works is a version which will let you see straight into
your
> inbox, in the time beeing if anyone has further ideas on lists you'd like
to
> see, please drop me a line.
>
> behave,
>
> -marcos
>
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
—– Original Message —–
From: "manik" <[email protected]>
To: "marcos weskamp" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: you are being mapped
> NEO-MIMESIS
> Voluntarily participation in different kind of "social action"(answering
on
> every kind of question)suit nice to cyber space.Singularity is replaced
with
> general scanning,instead recognized personal image people agree to be part
> of social DNK.Interesting!
> E.Canetti in "Masse und Macht"pointed question as "sting",attack,ones and
> forever stick in(singular)body.
> Masse und Macht,chapter"Question and answer"(page 241);In one Serbian
> story"Around noon young girl sleep in grass.Her boyfriend was awake and
> think about how to get a rid of her.Than came "Noon Woman"and start to
ask
> him a question.He answered,but she had new and new question.After one hour
> his hart was broken.She ask him until he died."(origin:Wendishe
> Sagen,pub.Siebera,Jena 1925).
> This action(>
>
http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=rhizome)
> belong to corpus of unconceshnes investigation,and like the other of same
> kind could be interesting for somebody(not just for Marcos).Typical
product
> of neoliberalism and globalism.After all we belong,we are prisoner,of
those
> ideological formation.All answer we give to anybody are part of giant
> image,ultra mimesis of epoque without individuality.
> Of course,there's some ideas which pretend to do something
> else-ALTERGLOBALISM.For beginning- George Monbio:The age of consent…
> Anyway;how can I be sure for destination of all that material?I strongly
> belief that it could bee opposite of neo-mimesis,necrophilia exploitation
> of(generally)innocent "subject".
> MANIK
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "marcos weskamp" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:18 AM
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: you are being mapped
>
>
> > Dear rhizomers,
> >
> > notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.
> >
> > Which are the dynamics of mailing lists as social groups? How do they
> > organize themselves? Who are the main speakers and who the most socially
> > visual persons in those groups?
> > http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/
> >
> > Ever wondered how the rhizome list would look like if you wanted to draw
a
> > map of it?
> >
http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=rhizome
> >
> > All emails to the list are beeing plotted as they happen, which makes
> these
> > diagrams almost *live* snapshots of the current status of the lists.
> > Although on the works is a version which will let you see straight into
> your
> > inbox, in the time beeing if anyone has further ideas on lists you'd
like
> to
> > see, please drop me a line.
> >
> > behave,
> >
> > -marcos
> >
> >
> > +
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
>
On Jan 6, 2004, at 11:18 PM, marcos weskamp wrote:
> Dear rhizomers,
>
> notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.
dude.. i didn't know one COULD analize someone online ;-)
j/k
This is a very interesting work. It actually prompted me to post to the
list which I've been neglecting to do the last few weeks. Having
something like this officially connected with email lists could be a
very helpful tool IMO.
I have one question, do you consider this to be art? software? software
art? net art? Not that it matters much, it's an interesting piece of
socio-cultural software IMO, but I was curious as to how you approached
it or contextualized it for yourself.
Are you mapping other lists? which ones? can others use the tool to map
lists?
take care,
>
> Which are the dynamics of mailing lists as social groups? How do they
> organize themselves? Who are the main speakers and who the most
> socially
> visual persons in those groups?
> http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/
>
> Ever wondered how the rhizome list would look like if you wanted to
> draw a
> map of it?
> http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?
> list=rhizome
>
> All emails to the list are beeing plotted as they happen, which makes
> these
> diagrams almost *live* snapshots of the current status of the lists.
> Although on the works is a version which will let you see straight
> into your
> inbox, in the time beeing if anyone has further ideas on lists you'd
> like to
> see, please drop me a line.
>
> behave,
>
> -marcos
===
<twhid>
http://www.mteww.com
</twhid>
On 7 Jan 2004, at 16:04, t.whid wrote:
> On Jan 6, 2004, at 11:18 PM, marcos weskamp wrote:
>
>> Dear rhizomers,
>>
>> notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.
>
> dude.. i didn't know one COULD analize someone online ;-)
Clearly you've never been to a MUCK… :-)
- Rob.
What is MUCK?Can I fed poor hunger artist with that?
Sincerely
MANIK
—– Original Message —–
From: "Rob Myers" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: you are being mapped
> On 7 Jan 2004, at 16:04, t.whid wrote:
> > On Jan 6, 2004, at 11:18 PM, marcos weskamp wrote:
> >
> >> Dear rhizomers,
> >>
> >> notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.
> >
> > dude.. i didn't know one COULD analize someone online ;-)
>
> Clearly you've never been to a MUCK… :-)
>
> - Rob.
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
Yup, good work. Like the play back mode. I also like the wording of your post…kinda RSG/CIAish.
t.whid wrote:
>> Are you mapping other lists? which ones?
It has a drop down with other lists on the top left.
never MUCKed around much myself, but here:
Nexus: Your Guide to the World of MUCKS
http://www.mind-bender.org/nexus/
MUCK is definitely something very healthy for eat!Thank you.
MANIK
—– Original Message —–
From: "Joy Garnett" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: you are being mapped
>
> never MUCKed around much myself, but here:
>
>
> Nexus: Your Guide to the World of MUCKS
> http://www.mind-bender.org/nexus/
>
>
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
Hi there, sorry for the gap between mails.
Justin said:
>Well that's the coolest thing I've seen all day.
well, thanks a lot. Still trying to forget the cool factor out of it, I hope
it helps in coming up with mental images of this spaces, normally completely
hidden to the eye. That was the main idea that moved me into this project.
>And I'm in the center! Ha!
and now you guys pushed me to the center of the stage!
:totally blushed, upraises his shoulders and looks down to the floor
>That's odd, because my "day job" is working on a mailing list manager:
>http://dadamail.org
>If there's anything you'd like to integrate in the application level of my
>MLM, like some sort of interesting API, let me know :) It may make an
>interesting side project, as I'm going to be beefing up the Discussion list
>support of it in a few weeks time.
good one!. Well I'm not sure how we could work on that, I've been kinda
bussy latelly and I can't really commit myself into other projects right
now. I could give you an API for that and give you the source for the
project. Problem is it works mainly on CFMX+mySQL, and your stuff seems to
be pretty different. Well, maybe we could somehow figure it out, email me
offlist [mail at marcosweskamp.com] if you are still interested.
t.whind said:
>I have one question, do you consider this to be art? software? software
>art? net art? Not that it matters much, it's an interesting piece of
>socio-cultural software IMO, but I was curious as to how you approached
>it or contextualized it for yourself.
I definitivelly consider this net.art driven by non-academic research based
on academic research by a postmodern non academic self addressed artist.
still, my main interest was not really creating pretty flying circles, but a
visually interesting installment driven by live data produced by real
people;)
well, I guess… I wasn't really sure about what this all was untill I saw
it working myself:)
>Are you mapping other lists? which ones? can others use the tool to map
>lists?
yups, you can select other lists from the dropdown on the top left of the
screen.
I'm still asking people around to send me suggestions on other lists they'd
like to see, so If you have any potentially interesting one, please let me
know!
nikola said:
>Voluntarily participation in different kind of "social action"(answering on
>every kind of question)suit nice to cyber space.Singularity is replaced
with
>general scanning,instead recognized personal image people agree to be part
>of social DNK.Interesting!
those are really wise words nikola. I'm not really sure If I understand it
thouroughly, though, but I guess you should say thanks.
:grabs a handfull of MUCK and puts it into his mouth.
cheers,
-marcos