Shilpa Gupta at www.tate.org.uk/netart

< the
work explores religion, globalisation and the
complex cultural and political dynamics of the
internet.>
Does it? How does it do this?
So often I read these kind of assertions in
artist's/curatorial statements.
I took a look and it feels pretty ordinary and
formulaic to me.
Maybe I'm being uncharitable or missing something.
Maybe I'm not looking in the right way.
I'd be interested to know what others think.
michael

Commissioned by Tate Online
> (http://www.tate.org.uk), it juxtaposes the real and
> virtual worlds and encourages visitors to consider
> how these spaces overlap and merge.
>
>
> Two critical texts accompany the piece:
> God, Prayer and Politics: The Work of Shilpa Gupta,
> Heidi Reitmaier
> Blessed-bandwidth.net: it's super authentic, Johan
> Pijnappel
>
> Both texts and the work itself can be found via
> http://www.tate.org.uk/netart/blessedbandwidth/
>
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one of my students made this piece in a couple of weeks:
http://mmas.unca.edu/~amallen/guardianangel.html

Its copy is more amusing, its concept is more focused, it more thoroughly chews what it bites off, because it presumes to bite off less. In short, the piece critiques fast food religion. At a deeper level, it laments the corrosive aspects of consumer culture on human spiritual aspirations. I could write a couple of papers on it (blah blah blah), but I just rented a Young Ones DVD, and later I mean to take a nap.

Its artist statement is in white html at the bottom of the first page. Select all or view source to see it. Even without the artist statement, the critical intention of the piece is self-evident without beating you over the head with self-conscious irony. And if you're tricked into thinking the piece is real (as some people are with blackpeopleloveus.com), then it serves a critcal purpose along those lines as well.

I think she got an A- or a B+ for it.

++++++++++++++++++++++++

The tate piece blenderizes half-baked critiques of fast food religion, all religion, ritual, partisanship, globalisation, and war. All it lacks is an autogenerative logo and a psuedonymous etoy-ish art corp creator, and it would have filled in all the requisite net.art blanks. Oh, and surveilance cameras. There must always be something about surveilance cameras!

how you gonna keep em down on the farm
now that outer space has lost its charm
http://www.thedance.net/~roth/SONGS/20th.html

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Michael Szpakowski wrote:

> < the
> work explores religion, globalisation and the
> complex cultural and political dynamics of the
> internet.>
> Does it? How does it do this?
> So often I read these kind of assertions in
> artist's/curatorial statements.
> I took a look and it feels pretty ordinary and
> formulaic to me.
> Maybe I'm being uncharitable or missing something.
> Maybe I'm not looking in the right way.
> I'd be interested to know what others think.
> michael
>
> Commissioned by Tate Online
> > (http://www.tate.org.uk), it juxtaposes the real and
> > virtual worlds and encourages visitors to consider
> > how these spaces overlap and merge.
> >
> >
> > Two critical texts accompany the piece:
> > God, Prayer and Politics: The Work of Shilpa Gupta,
> > Heidi Reitmaier
> > Blessed-bandwidth.net: it's super authentic, Johan
> > Pijnappel
> >
> > Both texts and the work itself can be found via
> > http://www.tate.org.uk/netart/blessedbandwidth/
> >
> > +
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Hi Curt
< one of my students made this piece in a couple of
weeks:
http://mmas.unca.edu/~amallen/guardianangel.html

Its copy is more amusing, its concept is more
focused, it more thoroughly chews what it bites off,
because it presumes to bite off less.>
I absolutely agree. I'd go further & say that
precisely *because* of its terseness, its concreteness
of content and its thoroughness of execution ( except
for the misspelling of 'promiscuous')
it actually starts to achieve some of the pretensions
of the Tate piece.
Isn't this often the case with good art that the truth
about a small thing, well told, then has many broader
and more universal implications?
When you have work like this it starts to be
meaningful to say that the piece is 'about this' or
'about that', 'does this' or 'does that' (although I'm
grateful that the artist herself didn't, or at least
not in that horribly portentous way).

< I think she got an A- or a B+ for it>

You're a hard man- I'd have given her a straight A.
best
michael




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Hi there Michael and I'd suggest it does for the following reasons:

Religion >
- The central subject for the work is world religion, from the
perspective on an artist based in Mumbai.

Globalisation >
- Shilpa did not travel to the UK at any point in the commissioning
process (This was primarily a question of how best to use the limited
funds available. We're hoping to get Shilpa over in the Spring to
participate in some related educational events). All communication
between Tate and the artist and took place via pcs and phones.
- What's more, I'd suggest that the work encourages visitors to reflect
on the effect of globalisation on religion (and vice versa), and how
religion on a state/global scale blurs with politics.

Complex cultural and political dynamics of the internet >
- The site homepage is IP specific and varies depending on the
geographical point of access. In the UK, the first religion we are
offered is Hindu.
- Furthermore, the site is hosted in India, not with the majority of
Tate Online's content, in Glasgow, which (I reckon) raises interesting
questions about the relationship of the museum to such practice.
- Shilpa has placed ads on Google to try and attract new, non net
art/art museum visitors to engage with the very public work.

This is my on the fly response, but I'd also really recommend reading
the 2 texts that accompany the piece.

: )

Jemima


—–Original Message—–
From: Michael Szpakowski [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 08 November 2003 16:02
To: Jemima Rellie; [email protected]
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Shilpa Gupta at www.tate.org.uk/netart


< the
work explores religion, globalisation and the
complex cultural and political dynamics of the
internet.>
Does it? How does it do this?
So often I read these kind of assertions in
artist's/curatorial statements.
I took a look and it feels pretty ordinary and
formulaic to me.
Maybe I'm being uncharitable or missing something.
Maybe I'm not looking in the right way.
I'd be interested to know what others think.
michael

Commissioned by Tate Online
> (http://www.tate.org.uk), it juxtaposes the real and
> virtual worlds and encourages visitors to consider
> how these spaces overlap and merge.
>
>
> Two critical texts accompany the piece:
> God, Prayer and Politics: The Work of Shilpa Gupta,
> Heidi Reitmaier
> Blessed-bandwidth.net: it's super authentic, Johan
> Pijnappel
>
> Both texts and the work itself can be found via
> http://www.tate.org.uk/netart/blessedbandwidth/
>
> +
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> -> questions: [email protected]
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Hi Jemima
thanks for the reply.
Nothing of what you've said about the piece, however,
is immediately apparent from the piece itself, which I
still find pretty lacklustre.
Plus, I'm just personally uncomfortable with the
amount of meta artistic sludge one has to trudge
thorugh in order to "get" a piece like this.
I can't help feeling that the worthy things you claim
the piece does could probably be better accomplished
by a terse little pamphlet on religion and
globalisation.
Did you take a look at the student piece that Curt
referenced?
I think it does a lot of what you claim for the Tate
piece with considerable more economy and force.
I will take a look though at the Tate documentation
and have a think about it, as you suggest.
best
michael


— Jemima Rellie <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi there Michael and I'd suggest it does for the
> following reasons:
>
> Religion >
> - The central subject for the work is world
> religion, from the
> perspective on an artist based in Mumbai.
>
> Globalisation >
> - Shilpa did not travel to the UK at any point in
> the commissioning
> process (This was primarily a question of how best
> to use the limited
> funds available. We're hoping to get Shilpa over in
> the Spring to
> participate in some related educational events). All
> communication
> between Tate and the artist and took place via pcs
> and phones.
> - What's more, I'd suggest that the work encourages
> visitors to reflect
> on the effect of globalisation on religion (and vice
> versa), and how
> religion on a state/global scale blurs with
> politics.
>
> Complex cultural and political dynamics of the
> internet >
> - The site homepage is IP specific and varies
> depending on the
> geographical point of access. In the UK, the first
> religion we are
> offered is Hindu.
> - Furthermore, the site is hosted in India, not with
> the majority of
> Tate Online's content, in Glasgow, which (I reckon)
> raises interesting
> questions about the relationship of the museum to
> such practice.
> - Shilpa has placed ads on Google to try and attract
> new, non net
> art/art museum visitors to engage with the very
> public work.
>
> This is my on the fly response, but I'd also really
> recommend reading
> the 2 texts that accompany the piece.
>
> : )
>
> Jemima
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Michael Szpakowski [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 08 November 2003 16:02
> To: Jemima Rellie; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Shilpa Gupta at
> www.tate.org.uk/netart
>
>
> < the
> work explores religion, globalisation and the
> complex cultural and political dynamics of the
> internet.>
> Does it? How does it do this?
> So often I read these kind of assertions in
> artist's/curatorial statements.
> I took a look and it feels pretty ordinary and
> formulaic to me.
> Maybe I'm being uncharitable or missing something.
> Maybe I'm not looking in the right way.
> I'd be interested to know what others think.
> michael
>
> Commissioned by Tate Online
> > (http://www.tate.org.uk), it juxtaposes the real
> and
> > virtual worlds and encourages visitors to consider
> > how these spaces overlap and merge.
> >
> >
> > Two critical texts accompany the piece:
> > God, Prayer and Politics: The Work of Shilpa
> Gupta,
> > Heidi Reitmaier
> > Blessed-bandwidth.net: it's super authentic, Johan
> > Pijnappel
> >
> > Both texts and the work itself can be found via
> > http://www.tate.org.uk/netart/blessedbandwidth/
> >
> > +
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
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