I think that there is a significant misunderstanding here. I don't see the
problem in having both works in the ArtBase, or just the one. Although TS's
project was submitted to the Artbase in 2003, it was also made in 2001.
(This delay is typical for submissions to the ArtBase, in fact, many
artists, anticipating that they can no longer maintain their projects
themselves, eventually submit the work to us in some cases more than 5-6
years after their creation). Because we can't yet say definitively who's
work came first, the historical question continues to elude me.
Nevertheless, it is my inclination to think that even if his project was
produced after yours, something remains to be gained from the simple
acknowledgment that this mediation on the events of 9/11 occurred to more
than one artist working within the Rhizome community. Certainly, if there is
any historical significance to consider here, it is the uncanny reproduction
of this iconic image, and for this reason it seems impossible not to
acknowledge both works.
> Hi Alena
>>> I did not come across your project as a past submission
> no, exact I didn't submit that work ....but I don't think this is the
> Now I copy a work by Napier (just pulse is listed) and you accept it in the
> art only because he didn't send you an application?
> I'm not famous as Napier and for this reason I sent to rhizome the email.
>> to not include "Hole in the Sky" simply because your project exists
> somewhere else seems a bit extreme.
> Alena are you kidding me? "exists somewhere else" are you kidding me?
> for long-time I work with not loaded images , I also made a lot of paintings
> with those subjects.
> it's a kind of logo. And this doesn't mean nobody else can use them. Of
> course they can !!!
> But not coping exactly my work. That's what I'm saying. and it doesn't
> matter if he doesn't know me or my work because in that work there isn't any
> plagiarist internationality. Does the artbase have an historicization
> function? If so there is no reason to accept that work that is the same I
> did years ago.
> And i didn't tell you nothing about you didn't know my work. There are a lot
> of things in the air so i understand we can't not know everything. But i
> sent you an email with all the details about what is happened.. so ..
>>> and I apologize for any personal offense you may have taken to our
> inclusion of "Hole in the Sky" in the ArtBase.
> the offense are all these words and emails because Rhizome is trying to
> climb mirrors.
> It's ridiculous, in my mail box i've emails and emails of people disgusted
> from this behaviour.
> And this fact could be happen again and again.
> Best Regards,
> Carlo Zanni
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alena Williams" <firstname.lastname@example.org
> To: <email@example.com>;
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Does the artbase have an historicizationfunction?
>> Hi cz:
>> When I read your initial post, I thought (as you seem to suggest below)
>> you were simply informing us that you did a similar project which may have
>> been made before "Hole in the Sky." Although originality is one of the
>> factors we consider when deciding whether or not to include an artwork, it
>> is virtually impossible to avoid all duplication (on a large and small
>> scale) in the archive. In fact, many artists have explored similar issues
>> using similar means but, on some level or another, have ultimately
>> projects which each exhibit their own unique characteristics. Although the
>> Rhizome staff at times does encourage artists to submit their work to the
>> archive, we rarely solicit the submission of projects with methods similar
>> to those of museum curators, who, for example, exhaustively vet their
>> potential purchases for originality and so on.
>> Moreover, despite the fact that the ArtBase remains to be one of the most
>> comprehensive archives of new media art, it is by no means entirely
>> exhaustive. As a result, a number of projects appropriate to the archive
>> and its aims (as your project appears to be) have not been included in the
>> archive, simply because artists do not venture to submit their work.
>> to the list does not automatically initiate this process.
>> Nevertheless, this duplication is certainly not intentional, and I
>> for any personal offense you may have taken to our inclusion of "Hole in
>> Sky" in the ArtBase. But especially since your project is currently not in
>> the archive and I did not come across your project as a past submission--I
>> just checked my records, but please let me know if I am mistaken--to not
>> include "Hole in the Sky" simply because your project exists somewhere
>> seems a bit extreme. It is a more serious matter, of course, if you think
>> that your intellectual property has been infringed in some way.
>> Best regards,
>> + + +
>> Alena Williams
>> ArtBase Coordinator
>>> Does the artbase have an historicization function?
>>> Does the artbase have "quality" as distinguishing mark?
>>> what happened with " Hole in the Sky " by Tom Scarpino (Hi Tom)
>>> it's not a great thing for the reputation and the reliability of the
>>> Above all because it's a "curatorial oriented" process and not an
>>> 1- Everybody depends from others, but in this case the work it's the
>>> 2- There isn't a duty in knowing my 2001 work (even if it passed through
>>> list) but once this thing has been emphasized ,
>>> why any official voice wrote me back?. ... everybody can make a
>>> where is the problem?
>>> I'm really disappointed from this behavior
>>> i was expecting an answer from the artbase crew.
>>> Thank you
>>> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
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