Rhizome @ DEAF03

Posted by Mark Tribe | Wed Feb 26th 2003 8:01 p.m.

Rhizome.org is participating in DEAF03 (the Dutch Electronic Art Festival)
in Rotterdam as an Open Territories Workspace. If you're in the Rotterdam
hood, please stop by and visit! We are particularly interested in
discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node or offshoot in Europe.

Dates: Tuesday Feb 25 - Saturday March 1

Location: Arena @ Pakhuis Las Palmas (Wilhelminakade 66-68 Kop van Zuid)
in Rotterdam.

Gratitude: Thanks to V2_Institute for inviting us to participate!

More info to follow soon...
  • Michael Szpakowski | Wed Feb 26th 2003 9:08 p.m.
    <We are particularly
    > interested in
    > discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node
    > or offshoot in Europe.>
    Hmmm -I think I know what you mean Mark, but for those
    of us in old Europe who've been enthusiastic
    participants in both list and artbase for a good while
    it might have been put perhaps a little more
    diplomatically - it would be nice to have a discussion
    about it on the list, or a set of proposals/thoughts
    on the site, for those of us whom work or cash
    precludes 'being in the Rotterdam hood'
    best
    Michael

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  • D42 Kandinskij | Thu Feb 27th 2003 7:55 p.m.
    On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Mark Tribe wrote:

    > Rhizome.org is participating in DEAF03 (the Dutch Electronic Art
    > Festival) in Rotterdam as an Open Territories Workspace. If you're in
    > the Rotterdam hood, please stop by and visit! We are particularly
    > interested in discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node or
    > offshoot in Europe.

    That certainly must be due to "poor Rhizome's" tough
    survival situation :)
  • Mark Tribe | Fri Feb 28th 2003 10:49 a.m.
    Francis and I have net access here, so this would be a good time to discuss
    a potential European Rhizome node on the list. Local offshoots or nodes
    could take many forms and serve various purposes, from opening up
    participation in different languages to facilitating local outreach and
    tapping into local resources.

    Our closing presentation on Saturday at 16:00 (4pm) Central European Time
    will also be webcast and will have a parallel IRC chat. To view the live
    stream, go to http://deaf.v2.nl/deaf/03/live/live.html. To participate in
    the live chat, go to to the same URL,
    http://deaf.v2.nl/deaf/03/live/live.html, and select the #openterritories
    IRC channel.

    At 05:08 PM 2/26/2003 -0800, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
    ><We are particularly
    > > interested in
    > > discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node
    > > or offshoot in Europe.>
    >Hmmm -I think I know what you mean Mark, but for those
    >of us in old Europe who've been enthusiastic
    >participants in both list and artbase for a good while
    >it might have been put perhaps a little more
    >diplomatically - it would be nice to have a discussion
    >about it on the list, or a set of proposals/thoughts
    >on the site, for those of us whom work or cash
    >precludes 'being in the Rotterdam hood'
    >best
    >Michael
    >
    >
    >
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  • marc garrett | Fri Feb 28th 2003 12:27 p.m.
    mmm...

    Sounds interesting.

    marc

    http://www.furtherfield.org
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    > Francis and I have net access here, so this would be a good time to
    discuss
    > a potential European Rhizome node on the list. Local offshoots or nodes
    > could take many forms and serve various purposes, from opening up
    > participation in different languages to facilitating local outreach and
    > tapping into local resources.
    >
    > Our closing presentation on Saturday at 16:00 (4pm) Central European Time
    > will also be webcast and will have a parallel IRC chat. To view the live
    > stream, go to http://deaf.v2.nl/deaf/03/live/live.html. To participate in
    > the live chat, go to to the same URL,
    > http://deaf.v2.nl/deaf/03/live/live.html, and select the #openterritories
    > IRC channel.
    >
    > At 05:08 PM 2/26/2003 -0800, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
    > ><We are particularly
    > > > interested in
    > > > discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node
    > > > or offshoot in Europe.>
    > >Hmmm -I think I know what you mean Mark, but for those
    > >of us in old Europe who've been enthusiastic
    > >participants in both list and artbase for a good while
    > >it might have been put perhaps a little more
    > >diplomatically - it would be nice to have a discussion
    > >about it on the list, or a set of proposals/thoughts
    > >on the site, for those of us whom work or cash
    > >precludes 'being in the Rotterdam hood'
    > >best
    > >Michael
    > >
    > >
    > >
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  • marc garrett | Fri Feb 28th 2003 1:19 p.m.
    I agree,

    Obviously Net Art Clique circles do not reside on the list here...it has
    been pre-ordianed it seems - not open for discussion. May be the list users
    are just income-based space fillers, and not necessarily people that the
    Rhizome gang wish to explore new opportunities with. I think that this is
    quite obvious really...

    Even if we are based in Europe, and could offer strong links and
    ideas/funding regarding such ventures. The reality is, that it is much more
    to do with institutional connections rather than bottom up creativity.
    Therefore those who are pretty good at getting imaginative things going but
    do not have the immediate institutional clout will be left on the
    side-lines, sounds familiar? Or grudgingly taken into the fold because they
    are a pain the ass as a niggling enemy.

    To be honest, Michael - there are other ventures that are
    happening/formulating right now that we ourselves are involved in, and we do
    not isolate anyone - whatever their backgrounds or connections. People are
    always under the deluded impression that if someone has the connections that
    they will be useful - not always true. We are more interested in
    compassionate, explorative individuals and what they can offer on their own
    terms with their own directed energy, this opens up avenues to make amazing
    things happen. The beauty of creating something special is that there is
    real love generosity involved and not just connection based concepts. That
    is what makes things work - people will learn this sooner or later, to form
    a good working relationship with others is not just by curriculum based
    snobism. We have a group right now in the UK who are getting together to
    form somethiing that people can truly feel part of, and it will
    significantly challenge insitutional 'default divide and rule' methodology.
    If you really want to change things, you start with people - not academics
    alone. People are the source and the reason to do anything worthwhile. Let's
    topple this cynical rome!

    daring to want a less isolationist world...

    marc

    >
    > <We are particularly
    > > interested in
    > > discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node
    > > or offshoot in Europe.>
    > Hmmm -I think I know what you mean Mark, but for those
    > of us in old Europe who've been enthusiastic
    > participants in both list and artbase for a good while
    > it might have been put perhaps a little more
    > diplomatically - it would be nice to have a discussion
    > about it on the list, or a set of proposals/thoughts
    > on the site, for those of us whom work or cash
    > precludes 'being in the Rotterdam hood'
    > best
    > Michael
    >
    >
    >
    > =====
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  • Jess Loseby | Fri Feb 28th 2003 6:49 p.m.
    bloody typical
    finally get round to talking about european rhizome when I'm in new
    york...
    jess

    At Friday, 28 February 2003, you wrote:

    >Francis and I have net access here, so this would be a good time
    to discuss
    >a potential European Rhizome node on the list. Local offshoots or
    nodes
    >could take many forms and serve various purposes, from opening up
    >participation in different languages to facilitating local outreach
    and
    >tapping into local resources.
    >
    >Our closing presentation on Saturday at 16:00 (4pm) Central European
    Time
    >will also be webcast and will have a parallel IRC chat. To view
    the live
    >stream, go to http://deaf.v2.nl/deaf/03/live/live.html. To participate
    in
    >the live chat, go to to the same URL,
    >http://deaf.v2.nl/deaf/03/live/live.html, and select the #openterritories

    >IRC channel.
    >
    >At 05:08 PM 2/26/2003 -0800, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
    >><We are particularly
    >> > interested in
    >> > discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node
    >> > or offshoot in Europe.>
    >>Hmmm -I think I know what you mean Mark, but for those
    >>of us in old Europe who've been enthusiastic
    >>participants in both list and artbase for a good while
    >>it might have been put perhaps a little more
    >>diplomatically - it would be nice to have a discussion
    >>about it on the list, or a set of proposals/thoughts
    >>on the site, for those of us whom work or cash
    >>precludes 'being in the Rotterdam hood'
    >>best
    >>Michael
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>=====
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    that of
    >>the sender and does not bind the precautions to minimise authority
    in any
    >>way. If you copy or distribute this by software viruses email.
    We have
    >>taken the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise
    that you
    >>carry out your own virus attachment to this message. Internet email
    that
    >>you observe this lack is not a secure communication medium, and
    we advise
    >>of security when emailing us. District Postmaster.
    >>http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/ *
    >>
    >>__________________________________________________
    >>Do you Yahoo!?
    >>Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
    >>http://taxes.yahoo.com/
    >>+ ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
    >>-> post: list@rhizome.org
    >>-> questions: info@rhizome.org
    >>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.
    rhiz
    >>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
    >>+
    >>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
    >>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.
    php
    >
    >+ ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
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  • alexandra reill | Sat Mar 1st 2003 8:13 a.m.
    lovely, marc

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "marc.garrett" <marc.garrett@furtherfield.org>
    To: "Michael Szpakowski" <szpako@yahoo.com>
    Cc: <list@rhizome.org>
    Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 6:19 PM
    Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: RHIZOME_RARE: Re: Rhizome @ DEAF03

    > I agree,
    >
    > Obviously Net Art Clique circles do not reside on the list here...it has
    > been pre-ordianed it seems - not open for discussion. May be the list
    users
    > are just income-based space fillers, and not necessarily people that the
    > Rhizome gang wish to explore new opportunities with. I think that this is
    > quite obvious really...
    >
    > Even if we are based in Europe, and could offer strong links and
    > ideas/funding regarding such ventures. The reality is, that it is much
    more
    > to do with institutional connections rather than bottom up creativity.
    > Therefore those who are pretty good at getting imaginative things going
    but
    > do not have the immediate institutional clout will be left on the
    > side-lines, sounds familiar? Or grudgingly taken into the fold because
    they
    > are a pain the ass as a niggling enemy.
    >
    > To be honest, Michael - there are other ventures that are
    > happening/formulating right now that we ourselves are involved in, and we
    do
    > not isolate anyone - whatever their backgrounds or connections. People are
    > always under the deluded impression that if someone has the connections
    that
    > they will be useful - not always true. We are more interested in
    > compassionate, explorative individuals and what they can offer on their
    own
    > terms with their own directed energy, this opens up avenues to make
    amazing
    > things happen. The beauty of creating something special is that there is
    > real love generosity involved and not just connection based concepts. That
    > is what makes things work - people will learn this sooner or later, to
    form
    > a good working relationship with others is not just by curriculum based
    > snobism. We have a group right now in the UK who are getting together to
    > form somethiing that people can truly feel part of, and it will
    > significantly challenge insitutional 'default divide and rule'
    methodology.
    > If you really want to change things, you start with people - not academics
    > alone. People are the source and the reason to do anything worthwhile.
    Let's
    > topple this cynical rome!
    >
    >
    > daring to want a less isolationist world...
    >
    > marc
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    > > <We are particularly
    > > > interested in
    > > > discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node
    > > > or offshoot in Europe.>
    > > Hmmm -I think I know what you mean Mark, but for those
    > > of us in old Europe who've been enthusiastic
    > > participants in both list and artbase for a good while
    > > it might have been put perhaps a little more
    > > diplomatically - it would be nice to have a discussion
    > > about it on the list, or a set of proposals/thoughts
    > > on the site, for those of us whom work or cash
    > > precludes 'being in the Rotterdam hood'
    > > best
    > > Michael
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > =====
    > > *DISCLAIMER:This email any advice it contains is for the use is that of
    > the sender and does not bind the precautions to minimise authority in any
    > way. If you copy or distribute this by software viruses email. We have
    taken
    > the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise that you carry
    out
    > your own virus attachment to this message. Internet email that you observe
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    > >
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    > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
    > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
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