Re: What's your enmity quotient?

Posted by Max | Mon Sep 23rd 2002 1 a.m.

Liza, I'm curious what you, Mark, and perhaps other major net-artists think
about the coming war on Iraq. Do you think that it is too dangerous to talk
about? The net occupies this strange hybrid space between weapon-system and
paintbrush--are painters and artists in other media freer to speak on the
matter?

From an artistic standpoint, it seems that we will all be forced to accept a
new and very weird version of "Truth" should the attack go down. Much like
the first Gulf War, the second one might very well--as Baudrillard said of
the first--not "really" happen at all, as well as having "happened already."

If indeed all human expression and activity is mere simulation, then 9/11
"didn't happen" either, which to me is a troubling reductio ad absurdum.
Had 9/11 "already happened" before 9/11?

Certainly, those who protest against any action that eventually happens
anyway will lose power or reputation. Self-interest generally dictates
abstaining from controversial opinions whenever possible. One of my
concerns is that if everybody abstains because of self-preservative motives,
then the decisions are made with virtually no input or heightened levels of
expression. This does not make the decisions worse necessarily, however it
does make them different. They become desperate and secretive, like the
permission granted Hitler by a demoralized, terrified, dying German society,
on the brink of spiritual death--i.e., a cognitive descent into subhumanity
via loss of patrimony, history, and genius-in-action.

I was quite intrigued, though not surprised, that 01101010010101.org said in
their sig file "subvert yourself" or something like that. My inference was
that criticism of larger power structures such as the current US
administration is now out of place and irrelevant. I have been slow to
catch up with this curve, because of my provinicial location, yet find it
quite compelling in many ways.

Does this principle of subversion of self-only apply to all power
structures, and not just to US government policy? It seems fair to assume
so. The wreckage and disaster of the 20th century left the world horribly
maimed, hence unable to embody hardly any of the ideals that were supposedly
fought for 1900-2000. Perhaps humans are justifiably fearful whether even
one wholesome seed will sprout in the soil of the 21st century. Obviously
complete global meltdown is frighteningly possible.

I'm tending to see the human historical moment in 2002 much in the way that
Trinity had to jump from the helicopter in "The Matrix." The US must attack
Iraq in order to preserve global stability, but a successful outcome is far
from guaranteed.

Also maybe like Evel Knievel jumping the Snake River Canyon, with all his
personal items, hairdo, star-spangled jumpsuit, and psychic cohesion
right there in the rocket-car with him mid-span. Nothing on the departed
cliff and no way to go back anyway; maybe nothing on the other side either,
and certainly nothing down in the canyon.

Is that why the topic of invading Iraq is taboo? Perhaps the matter comes
down to an inner, unpublic kind of faith. The "case" cannot be "made," for
we are working with total unknowability--a simulated historical atmosphere
in which "true" and "false" do not and CANNOT pertain. What is left to the
artist (Beuys said everyone is an artist after all is said and done) is
merely to stand by and watch, wait as we share the ride in the rocket-car,
twiddle our fingers, hug our loved ones, and in short, pray.

This is basically what the Bible predicted. However, whereas the Bible
speaks of each soul traveling independently to either heaven or hell after
Judgment Day, I tend to view the matter as one soul--the human--traveling in
great multiplicity but sharing the same rocket-car (say a
six-billion-seater). The multiplicity of souls headed for different
destinations has transformed into one soul with a multiplicity of "other
sides of the canyon," possible futures, etc. This principle may of course
be incorrect, but it is echoed in a Curtis Mayfield song "Don't Worry": "If
there's hell below, we're all gonna go."

My personal view reserves a very prominent role for artists in the
navigation of the rocket-car (or at least manipulation of what navigational
variables exist, if only shifting weight in the cabin) and relegates prayer
to a secondary or partial obligation.

To reiterate, do you Liza believe that art per se does not and should not
play any role in the decision whether to invade Iraq? Because art will most
certainly be altered irrevocably if the US does invade.

Anyone notice how Hirst apologized for saying 9/11 had substantive artistic
qualities? Things are so schizoid nowadays. Schroeder barely won, in part
because one of his ministers compared Bush to Hitler.

Maybe fascism did in fact "win" the 20th century, and now it is all we have
that works, making "democracy" and "freedom" otherworldly deities in the
purest sense, near-beings we pray to but do not expect to experience
directly in the workings of "this life"?

I'm oddly comfortable with that, yet thanatos is a sin; we must permanently
approach nearer but never reach. Artists now cannot incarnate anything, but
only lead prayers to the taste of their patrons.

How I do like such apples.

Max Herman
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  • Michael Szpakowski | Mon Sep 23rd 2002 1 a.m.
    < Schroeder barely won, in part
    because one of his ministers compared Bush to
    Hitler.>
    Schroeder won ( against initial predictions) precisely
    because he had the political nous to campaign against
    what here in Europe is an incredibly unpopular war (
    80% of the German population oppose it as still do a
    clear majority of the UK population despite a massive
    pro war propaganda campaign)
    Everything still to play for - here there will be a
    massive anti war demonstration in London this coming
    Saturday with not only the usual suspects but
    substantial sections of organized labour marching ( it
    departs Embankment 12.30 any Brits reading this).
    Its straightforward surely - don't we all know this is
    a war not about justice , or weapons of mass
    destruction ( of which the US and the UK both have
    stacks, with the US of course refusing independent
    inspection of its biological arsenal ) but oil -and
    oil isn't worth killing or dying for.
    Nor is it a question of waiting for ,or trusting, the
    UN - the UN has murdered 500,000 children in Iraq in
    the last 10 years with its sanctions.
    I would like to see more artists come out against this
    barbarism too Max - but not *because* we're artists
    though; but neither are we excused speaking out
    because we are, which is why this list is an
    appropriate place as any to raise the question.
    Michael

    ps i enjoyed the quiz though.

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  • Conor McGarrigle | Tue Sep 24th 2002 1 a.m.
    Good points Michael, here's some related links of interest

    Denis Halliday The former head of the U.N.'s humanitarian program in Iraq
    says an American invasion would be an international crime -- and would make
    the U.S. even less safe.

    http://www.salon.com/people/feature/2002/03/20/halliday/

    From The Independent
    -Mr Rumsfeld was actually in Baghdad on the day the United Nations first
    reported Iraqi use of chemical weapons, but chose to remain silent, as did
    the rest of the US establishment. Five years later, he cited his ability to
    make friends with Saddam Hussein as one of his qualifications for a possible
    run at the presidency.-
    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story33400

    Former British Minister and key player in the Northern Ireland peace process
    Mo Mowlam argues that Iraq is no threat but that Bush wants war to keep US
    control of the region and that the real goal is the seizure of Saudi oil.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,786180,00.html

    > < Schroeder barely won, in part
    > because one of his ministers compared Bush to
    > Hitler.>
    > Schroeder won ( against initial predictions) precisely
    > because he had the political nous to campaign against
    > what here in Europe is an incredibly unpopular war (
    > 80% of the German population oppose it as still do a
    > clear majority of the UK population despite a massive
    > pro war propaganda campaign)
    > Everything still to play for - here there will be a
    > massive anti war demonstration in London this coming
    > Saturday with not only the usual suspects but
    > substantial sections of organized labour marching ( it
    > departs Embankment 12.30 any Brits reading this).
    > Its straightforward surely - don't we all know this is
    > a war not about justice , or weapons of mass
    > destruction ( of which the US and the UK both have
    > stacks, with the US of course refusing independent
    > inspection of its biological arsenal ) but oil -and
    > oil isn't worth killing or dying for.
    > Nor is it a question of waiting for ,or trusting, the
    > UN - the UN has murdered 500,000 children in Iraq in
    > the last 10 years with its sanctions.
    > I would like to see more artists come out against this
    > barbarism too Max - but not *because* we're artists
    > though; but neither are we excused speaking out
    > because we are, which is why this list is an
    > appropriate place as any to raise the question.
    > Michael
    >
    > ps i enjoyed the quiz though.
    >
    >
    >
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