Death where is thy sting/Physician heal thyself

Posted by Michael Szpakowski | Wed Sep 11th 2002 1 a.m.

<death@zaphod.terminal.org> wrote:
'You may write that you write, but you still cannot
write,
and are absolutely illiterate. Not all the education
in the
world will save you from illiteracy.'

now of whom is this actually the most apposite
description?

michael

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  • D42 Kandinskij | Wed Sep 11th 2002 1 a.m.
    On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Michael Szpakowski wrote:

    > now of whom is this actually the most apposite
    > description?

    Max Herman, baby. And yourself.
    What--pissy that I didn't support your righteous
    war pose?

    To you the same as to him: you're not literate,
    nor are you qualified to judge literacy.

    Stuff your flames up your own arse.

    `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
  • Max Herman | Wed Sep 11th 2002 1 a.m.
    Martyr complex behavior yes is murder in service of ego.

    I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you. I'm so grateful for all the things
    you help me do. All the ladies and gentlemen who made this all so probable.
    Thank you friends.

    >From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
    >Reply-To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
    >To: Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>
    >CC: rhizome <list@rhizome.org>
    >Subject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: Death where is thy sting/Physician heal thyself
    >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:57:49 -0700 (PDT)
    >
    >On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
    >
    > > now of whom is this actually the most apposite
    > > description?
    >
    > Max Herman, baby. And yourself.
    > What--pissy that I didn't support your righteous
    > war pose?
    >
    > To you the same as to him: you're not literate,
    > nor are you qualified to judge literacy.
    >
    > Stuff your flames up your own arse.
    >
    >
    >`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
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  • joseph mcelroy | Wed Sep 11th 2002 1 a.m.
    But literacy is dead. I killed it with my great big sledge hammer and a net of
    electric fibers.

    Now it is going to be really hard to figure out who is the smartest, don't you
    think?

    Whoops. You probably know.

    Now Fido, play with my words.

    --
    Joseph Franklyn McElroy
    Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
  • D42 Kandinskij | Thu Sep 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:

    > But literacy is dead.

    Dead? No. Your commentaries make the implicit assumption that I dislike
    illiteracy--and couldn't be further from the truth. Unfortunately,
    illiteracy is not the same as pretending to be-that-thing-you-heard
    -about-in-new-age-shaman-thing-while-still-pretending-to-be-literate.

    > I killed it with my great big sledge hammer and a net of electric fibers.

    Chuckle. hardly. You have no idea what you're talking about.
    You can't even 'touch' literacy least of all kill it.
    Secondy this kind of 'murder' belongs to literacy proper.
    Ie, you have to be literate in order to commit what you're saying.

    > Now it is going to be really hard to figure out who is the smartest, don't you
    > think?

    You suffer from some delusion that I care about 'smarts'.
    maybe you should start paying attention, boy-o. I don't
    know if you selectively choose to mis-remember my statements
    that I admire genuinely illiterate people, and I enjoy
    them far more than this pretense literacy.

    You're a whole different story though--a 'literate' monkey
    pretending to be 'illiterate'. You so native, man.

    > Whoops. You probably know.

    Idiotic ascription.

    > Now Fido, play with my words.

    I don't 'play' with words, love.
    Yet another idiotic ascription.
    And if you paid attention for two cents worth, you'd have noticed.
    Oh aware, conscious, illiterate native you.

    `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
  • Max Herman | Thu Sep 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    My anti-war pose may just be pissy and self-righteous, I'll be thinking on
    that today.

    I avoided the TV yesterday, anyone else do that? Huh?

    >From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
    ><joseph@electrichands.com>
    >Reply-To: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
    ><joseph@electrichands.com>
    >To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
    >CC: Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>, rhizome <list@rhizome.org>
    >Subject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: Death where is thy sting/Physician heal thyself
    >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:10:44 -0400
    >
    >
    >But literacy is dead. I killed it with my great big sledge hammer and a net
    >of
    >electric fibers.
    >
    >Now it is going to be really hard to figure out who is the smartest, don't
    >you
    >think?
    >
    >Whoops. You probably know.
    >
    >Now Fido, play with my words.
    >
    >--
    >Joseph Franklyn McElroy
    >Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
  • joseph mcelroy | Thu Sep 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:

    > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance]
    > Art[ist] wrote:
    >
    > > But literacy is dead.
    >
    > Dead? No. Your commentaries make the implicit assumption that I dislike
    > illiteracy--and couldn't be further from the truth. Unfortunately,
    > illiteracy is not the same as pretending to be-that-thing-you-heard
    > -about-in-new-age-shaman-thing-while-still-pretending-to-be-literate.

    I claim to be neither literate or illiterate. I am not particularly interested
    in this, yet it seems to consume your time worrying about whether you, me, or
    Gunga Din is literate. Literacy is important to a very small world.

    >
    > > I killed it with my great big sledge hammer and a net of electric fibers.
    >
    > Chuckle. hardly. You have no idea what you're talking about.
    > You can't even 'touch' literacy least of all kill it.
    > Secondy this kind of 'murder' belongs to literacy proper.
    > Ie, you have to be literate in order to commit what you're saying.

    Oh yeah, I had to be a dragon to kill a dragon. Be the ball. Do you have big
    goofy grin like Chevy Chase? It would work very well here.

    >
    > > Now it is going to be really hard to figure out who is the smartest, don't
    > you
    > > think?
    >
    > You suffer from some delusion that I care about 'smarts'.
    > maybe you should start paying attention, boy-o. I don't
    > know if you selectively choose to mis-remember my statements
    > that I admire genuinely illiterate people, and I enjoy
    > them far more than this pretense literacy.

    The deluded are those people who believe they know a truth, like knowing the
    nature of literacy.

    >
    > You're a whole different story though--a 'literate' monkey
    > pretending to be 'illiterate'. You so native, man.

    Me don't pretend, me perform as the whim hits me. I am a performance artist,
    get it ploughboy?

    > Idiotic ascription.

    I wonder why your favorite word is idiot? Limited vocabulary?

    > > Now Fido, play with my words.
    >
    > I don't 'play' with words, love.
    > Yet another idiotic ascription.
    > And if you paid attention for two cents worth, you'd have noticed.
    > Oh aware, conscious, illiterate native you.

    You don't play? Pity your playmates.

    --
    Joseph Franklyn McElroy
    Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
  • D42 Kandinskij | Thu Sep 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:

    > I claim to be neither literate or illiterate.

    As observed, you're neither.

    > I am not particularly interested in this,

    Self-delusion.

    > yet it seems to consume your time

    Nothing consumes my time, love.

    > worrying about whether you, me, or Gunga Din is literate.

    Sorry--no worries here. Froth at the mouth as you wish,
    but please don't project your wishful thinking. As for
    my commentaries to others-the whys and whats do not concern you.
    Spare me your judgement.

    > Literacy is important to a very small world.

    No joke. I guess you selectively ignore what I write.
    And keep hammering that point that I'm perfectly aware of--
    and better understand than you--even though you don't care.

    > Oh yeah, I had to be a dragon to kill a dragon.

    Idiotic & irrelevant remark.

    > Be the ball. Do you have big goofy grin like Chevy Chase? It would work very well here.

    No. But you seem to.

    > The deluded are those people who believe they know a truth, like knowing the
    > nature of literacy.

    Chuckle. What an idiotic statement. No, dear.
    Knowing the truth is not delusion--nor has it ever been.
    The deluded are the ones deluded in thinking that they know the truth.
    Spare us your cheap school rhetoric.

    > Me don't pretend, me perform as the whim hits me.

    Complete idiocy. You 'perform' as a slave to forces you don't get.
    Asleep, mechanical slave. You have no 'whim'.

    > I am a performance artist, get it ploughboy?

    The only 'ploughboy' here is you--dear.

    > I wonder why your favorite word is idiot? Limited vocabulary?

    Nothing to do with favorites. It's applicable.
    I'm not interested in 'creativity' as imprecision.

    > You don't play? Pity your playmates.

    That is not what I wrote, idiot. I don't play with words.
    Yet anpther condescending pose + debasement attempt.

    What a whimsical masochistic passive state.

    We are enthralled.

    `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
  • joseph mcelroy | Thu Sep 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:

    >
    > > I claim to be neither literate or illiterate.
    >
    > As observed, you're neither.

    Pat yourself on the back, we have an observation winner here!!!!

    >
    > > I am not particularly interested in this,
    >
    > Self-delusion.

    How would you know? You know neither your self or my self. Though you are
    pretty self ish. Go fish.

    >
    > > yet it seems to consume your time
    >
    > Nothing consumes my time, love.

    Your life.

    >
    > > worrying about whether you, me, or Gunga Din is literate.
    >
    > Sorry--no worries here. Froth at the mouth as you wish,
    > but please don't project your wishful thinking. As for
    > my commentaries to others-the whys and whats do not concern you.
    > Spare me your judgement.

    No I won't, neither will you. I could very well say don't judge what is of
    concern to me. Hypocrit. Your beliefs and actions are not consistent.

    >
    > > Literacy is important to a very small world.
    >
    > No joke. I guess you selectively ignore what I write.
    > And keep hammering that point that I'm perfectly aware of--
    > and better understand than you--even though you don't care.

    Silly Billy, nobody hits a moving target or counts the grains of sand. Literacy
    shape shifts and sways floating on a serrated sea.

    >
    > > Oh yeah, I had to be a dragon to kill a dragon.
    >
    > Idiotic & irrelevant remark.

    Mister Understanding

    > Chuckle. What an idiotic statement. No, dear.
    > Knowing the truth is not delusion--nor has it ever been.
    > The deluded are the ones deluded in thinking that they know the truth.
    > Spare us your cheap school rhetoric.

    My dear dear dear boy, all truths are delusions.

    > Complete idiocy. You 'perform' as a slave to forces you don't get.
    > Asleep, mechanical slave. You have no 'whim'.

    Oh yes, I see, I must be awakened by you to perform to your whims. Mister
    Understanding.

    >
    > > I am a performance artist, get it ploughboy?
    >
    > The only 'ploughboy' here is you--dear.

    LOL - Mister Understanding

    >
    > Nothing to do with favorites. It's applicable.
    > I'm not interested in 'creativity' as imprecision.

    Then why are you posting to an Artist's mailing list?

    >
    > > You don't play? Pity your playmates.
    >
    > That is not what I wrote, idiot. I don't play with words.
    > Yet anpther condescending pose + debasement attempt.

    Yes, my purpose is to debase you, to make you shiver in contempt of yourself
    and the works you have attempted. To make you shiver with delight at a kind
    word spoken by me to you. To have you worship at my size 14 feet. They stink
    also.

    > We are enthralled.

    King Mister Understanding

    --
    Joseph Franklyn McElroy
    Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
  • joseph mcelroy | Thu Sep 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    Quoting Max Herman <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>:

    >
    >
    > My anti-war pose may just be pissy and self-righteous, I'll be thinking on
    > that today.
    >
    > I avoided the TV yesterday, anyone else do that? Huh?

    I haven't seen TV in a month or more. So what, we all get a chance to be self-
    righteous and usually take it. Power on.

    --
    Joseph Franklyn McElroy
    Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
  • D42 Kandinskij | Thu Sep 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance]
    Art[ist] wrote:

    > Pat yourself on the back, we have an observation winner here!!!!

    Meaningless idiotic knee-jerk. Observation is not about winning.
    Seems like you have a winning / not-winning obsession.

    > How would you know? You know neither your self or my self.

    I know both myself, and yourself as currently present.
    And yes, I do know. Nor are you qualified to judge whether
    I know or not.

    > Though you are pretty self ish.

    No, I am not. Nor are you qualified to judge that.

    > Your life.

    Life does not consume time.

    > concern to me. Hypocrit. Your beliefs and actions are not consistent.

    I am not you. Youu are passing judgement, I am not.
    I have no 'beliefs'. My belief and action mechanisms are in
    perfect condition and alignment. They certainly are not flat,
    static, to your liking, and in your control.
    That must be an awful bother.

    > Silly Billy, nobody hits a moving target or counts the grains of sand. Literacy
    > shape shifts and sways floating on a serrated sea.

    Meaningless lexicval shifting--which you've convinced yourself,
    is very deep.

    > > Idiotic & irrelevant remark.
    >
    > Mister Understanding

    Certainly. Sometimes there isn't more to the story.
    Understanding is not hallucinating or co-hallucinating imaginary depth.

    > My dear, dear boy. All truths are delusions.

    My dear, dear, boy--you're sexually inept, brain-obsessed
    and undeveloped. As such allthat appears to you is a delusion.
    You have no contact with truth--and your delusional opinion
    on the matter is of no value.

    > Oh yes, I see, I must be awakened by you to perform to your whims. Mister
    > Understanding.

    Projection + insecurity. You already perform according to something
    else's whims Awakening implies among other things liberation
    from said 'whims'..

    > > The only 'ploughboy' here is you--dear.
    >
    > LOL - Mister Understanding

    Kindergarten knee-jerk. Sarcasm + irony: masking of fear.
    Too close to the truth? Sorry.

    > Then why are you posting to an Artist's mailing list?

    I dont owe you justification of what I do.

    > Yes, my purpose is to debase you, to make you shiver in contempt of yourself
    > and the works you have attempted. To make you shiver with delight at a kind
    > word spoken by me to you. To have you worship at my size 14 feet. They stink
    > also.

    Meaningless nonsense. You're knee-jerking from self-debasing
    programmatic behavior--and enjoying it. Love that masochism, ne?

    > > We are enthralled.
    >
    > King Mister Understanding

    Gibberish.
  • Lee Wells | Thu Sep 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    Watched a bit in the morning while they recited the names but didn't watch
    any after that. I listened to the first lady who said to turn off your tvs.

    on 9/12/02 10:33 AM, Max Herman at maxnmherman@hotmail.com wrote:

    >
    >
    > My anti-war pose may just be pissy and self-righteous, I'll be thinking on
    > that today.
    >
    > I avoided the TV yesterday, anyone else do that? Huh?
    >
    >
    >> From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
    >> <joseph@electrichands.com>
    >> Reply-To: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
    >> <joseph@electrichands.com>
    >> To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
    >> CC: Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>, rhizome <list@rhizome.org>
    >> Subject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: Death where is thy sting/Physician heal thyself
    >> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:10:44 -0400
    >>
    >>
    >> But literacy is dead. I killed it with my great big sledge hammer and a net
    >> of
    >> electric fibers.
    >>
    >> Now it is going to be really hard to figure out who is the smartest, don't
    >> you
    >> think?
    >>
    >> Whoops. You probably know.
    >>
    >> Now Fido, play with my words.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Joseph Franklyn McElroy
    >> Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
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