net/text

Posted by M. River | Sun Sep 8th 2002 1 a.m.

Still in a rough state, but interested any feedback...
Thanks.

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  • Michael Szpakowski | Mon Sep 9th 2002 1 a.m.
    Mark,
    I like the piece very much and so I'm inclined to
    write- but I don't know how useful my comments would
    be to you given that my starting point is ,I think ,
    radically different to yours - deep scepticism about
    anything postmodern, conceptual, selfreferential &c.
    However what in particular attracted me was that the
    piece ( and I'm not implying that it's in any way
    derivative) rather reminded me of the writing of
    Donald Barthelme. It was initially the form of the
    thing and the fact that it was bracketted by the two
    images that brought him to mind, but it strikes me
    there are deeper resonances.
    Of course a superficial resemblence to the work of
    someone else one admires isn't sufficient.
    What I also liked about the piece was it's *density*,
    it's *inexorableness*.
    So many pieces coming from the area that I would
    characterize as 'conceptual'- and forgive me if you
    don't accept that characterization, seem to me to be
    pretty thin stuff - artist has bright idea - artist
    realizes that idea - and we laugh or wink or or fail
    to get it ( often in my case) and then pretty much
    forget it and move on to something more substantial.
    However this seems to me to have a good deal of
    substance to it - and I also found it touchingly un-
    impersonal.
    To come back finally to the Barthelme comparison -
    what strikes me is that here you've done something a
    lot of people flying big flags have signally failed to
    do and that is produce a piece of interesting
    *writing-that-is-idiomatic-to-the-web* and it perhaps
    locating it here rather than in in a tradition of
    artistic conceptualism
    ( although it always strikes me that it is in writing
    that conceptualism finds its most comfortable home
    -see any Borges short story)that makes most sense.
    Anyway thanks, I enjoyed it.
    regards
    Michael
    --- Mark River <mriver102@yahoo.com> wrote:
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    > feedback...
    > Thanks.
    >
    > http://tinjail.com/kaufmann/index.html
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  • M. River | Mon Sep 9th 2002 1 a.m.
    --- Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > Mark,
    > I like the piece very much and so I'm inclined to
    > write-

    Thanks

    > rather reminded me of the writing of
    > Donald Barthelme.

    I have to admit that I have not read him but I found a
    link to his work and will give to a try this week.

    > So many pieces coming from the area that I would
    > characterize as 'conceptual'- and forgive me if you
    > don't accept that characterization

    Well, I try to set up a working system when I write
    and when I do artwork. Start at A and work to Z. This
    is influenced by early conceptual artists (some of
    whom came out of a poetry/language background). It
    also comes out of my day job as a carpenter. Start at
    A and work to Z. Although, unlike conceptual artist
    (and good carpenters), I feel that systems are most
    interesting when they distort, get clogged or fall
    apart.

    > *writing-that-is-idiomatic-to-the-web* and it
    > perhaps
    > locating it here rather than in in a tradition of
    > artistic conceptualism

    Yes. I guess this is why I sent it to Rhizome to ask
    for some feedback. I have been thinking about net/text
    lately and I'm trying find my way of working with it.
    Anyway, thanks

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  • M. River | Mon Sep 9th 2002 1 a.m.
    --- Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com> wrote:
    --- Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > Mark,
    > I like the piece very much and so I'm inclined to
    > write-

    Thanks

    > rather reminded me of the writing of
    > Donald Barthelme.

    I have to admit that I have not read him but I found a
    link to his work and will give to a try this week.

    > So many pieces coming from the area that I would
    > characterize as 'conceptual'- and forgive me if you
    > don't accept that characterization

    Well, I try to set up a working system when I write
    and when I do artwork. Start at A and work to Z. This
    is influenced by early conceptual artists (some of
    whom came out of a poetry/language background). It
    also comes out of my day job as a carpenter. Start at
    A and work to Z. Although, unlike conceptual artist
    (and good carpenters), I feel that systems are most
    interesting when they distort, get clogged or fall
    apart.

    > *writing-that-is-idiomatic-to-the-web* and it
    > perhaps
    > locating it here rather than in in a tradition of
    > artistic conceptualism

    Yes. I guess this is why I sent it to Rhizome to ask
    for some feedback. I have been thinking about net/text
    lately and I'm trying find my way of working with it.
    Anyway, thanks

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  • Christopher Fahey | Mon Sep 9th 2002 1 a.m.
    > Still in a rough state, but interested any feedback...
    > Thanks.
    >
    > http://tinjail.com/kaufmann/index.html

    I love this. I love the MTAA art process. I love MTAA's honesty and
    integrity. What brand of beer do you drink?

    -Cf

    [christopher eli fahey]
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  • M. River | Tue Sep 10th 2002 1 a.m.
    Hey Chiatopher, Thanks. When working on net art we try
    to stay with domestics (bottles only no drafts).
    T.Whid is teaching me how to open bottles off of our
    studio desktop at Eyebeam. I think we will be demo-ing
    the this tech at our Upgrade in Oct. Stop on in.

    Anyway, speaking of net/text...How is the Rhizomebot
    going?

    --- "Christopher Fahey [askrom]"
    <askROM@graphpaper.com> wrote:
    > > Still in a rough state, but interested any
    > feedback...
    > > Thanks.
    > >
    > > http://tinjail.com/kaufmann/index.html
    >
    >
    > I love this. I love the MTAA art process. I love
    > MTAA's honesty and
    > integrity. What brand of beer do you drink?
    >
    > -Cf
    >
    > [christopher eli fahey]
    > art: http://www.graphpaper.com
    > sci: http://www.askrom.com
    > biz: http://www.behaviordesign.com
    >
    >
    >

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  • MTAA | Tue Sep 10th 2002 1 a.m.
    >> Still in a rough state, but interested any feedback...
    >> Thanks.
    >>
    >> http://tinjail.com/kaufmann/index.html
    >
    >
    >I love this. I love the MTAA art process. I love MTAA's honesty and
    >integrity. What brand of beer do you drink?
    >
    >-Cf

    m.river drinks budweiser in bottles at the union pool.

    m.river drinks brooklyn lager at galapagos (you don't have to go all
    the way to manhattan for manhattan prices :-)

    m.river drinks marguerites at vera cruz

    i drink marguerites at vera cruz

    i drink vodka tonic at galapagos (you don't have to go all the way to
    manhattan for manhattan prices :-)

    i drink stella artois at the union pool and, sometimes, scotch and soda.

    (note: that's mostly mriver's honesty and integrity yer witnessing,
    i'm a lying, cheating asshole)

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  • patrick lichty | Tue Sep 10th 2002 1 a.m.
    > m.river drinks budweiser in bottles at the union pool.
    >
    > m.river drinks brooklyn lager at galapagos (you don't have to go all
    > the way to manhattan for manhattan prices :-)

    Patrick Lichty does not drink.

    > m.river drinks marguerites at vera cruz
    >
    > i drink marguerites at vera cruz

    Patrick Lichty is strongly discouraged to drink by his doctors, but
    occasionally has a beer with T. Whid on A St.

    > i drink vodka tonic at galapagos (you don't have to go all the way to
    > manhattan for manhattan prices :-)
    >
    > i drink stella artois at the union pool and, sometimes, scotch and soda.

    Lichty occasionally has a soda and Campari in the Village at Switch, even
    though he's not supposed to.

    > (note: that's mostly mriver's honesty and integrity yer witnessing,
    > i'm a lying, cheating asshole)

    This is true.
    Gimme my twenty dollars back, you dick.
    I mean it.
    Really.
    I'll find you.
    I know where you live.
    Don't make me come there.
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