PLUMBER

Posted by manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Tue Jul 30th 2002 1 a.m.

Oh, such a nice thing is to 'make waves' on fat asses.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nikola tosic" <nikola@tosic.com>
To: <list@rhizome.org>; <curt@lab404.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: this is shit

> Being critical is one of the most important human capabilities. From being
> able to just say "this is shit" to 1000 page research reports criticism is
> the only key to any change in any kind of activity. Why is criticism so
> unwelcome then? Why are we living in the era of super ultra conformism
> where everybody from age 16 has million tons of pressure to stay as he
> should be and not "make any waves". How come it all ended up in this ABC
> life system in which if you miss A you are fucked? And that every five
> minutes one has to kiss ass? Is new culture about kissing ass and is
> Internet an anti-ass-kissing weapon ( thanks to anonymous emails? ). Who
> are the biggest critics of our times? Artists? Does art teach people not
to
> kiss ass? I don't think so? What do! Does art teach anything at all?
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  • Max Herman | Tue Jul 30th 2002 1 a.m.
    In a message dated 7/30/2002 6:15:56 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.yu
    writes:

    > Oh, such a nice thing is to 'make waves' on fat asses.

    Who mentioned you, dishwasher?

    Plangeing the Flanger,

    Armenius

    ++
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Tue Jul 30th 2002 1 a.m.
    My name is Bond,-----James Bond.What's yours?
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Nmherman@aol.com
    To: manik@ptt.yu ; nikola@tosic.com ; list@rhizome.org ; curt@lab404.com=

    Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:56 AM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: PLUMBER

    In a message dated 7/30/2002 6:15:56 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.=
    yu writes:

    Oh, such a nice thing is to 'make waves' on fat asses.

    Who mentioned you, dishwasher?

    Plangeing the Flanger,

    Armenius

    ++
  • Max Herman | Tue Jul 30th 2002 1 a.m.
    In a message dated 7/30/2002 9:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.yu
    writes:

    > What's yours?

    General Arkhady Ouromov.
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Wed Jul 31st 2002 1 a.m.
    Mr.Arkhady my message's in air.Kiss your direst.
    OW.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Nmherman@aol.com
    To: manik@ptt.yu ; nikola@tosic.com ; list@rhizome.org ; curt@lab404.com=

    Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:13 AM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: PLUMBER

    In a message dated 7/30/2002 9:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.=
    yu writes:

    What's yours?

    General Arkhady Ouromov.
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Wed Jul 31st 2002 1 a.m.
    Mr Tosic in his text made visible the essential issue concerning the sense =
    and purpose of Internet as means of communication as well as the most impo=
    rtant area: relations between ETHICS, AESTHETICS and ART. It is defeating t=
    hat from the whole text You only recognized my occupation- PLUMBER(not a di=
    sh washer). So, if You suffer from logorhea, diarrhea or constipation, then=
    it is the matter of Your physiology. Meanwhile, use the toilet and finish =
    Your problems there.
    MANIK
    Marija Vauda & Nikola Pilipovic
    Belgrade
    Serbia
    MANIK@PTT.yu
    DEAD END = RISING HOPE

    Being critical is one of the most important human capabilities. From bein=
    g
    able to just say "this is shit" to 1000 page research reports criticism i=
    s
    the only key to any change in any kind of activity. Why is criticism so=

    unwelcome then? Why are we living in the era of super ultra conformism
    where everybody from age 16 has million tons of pressure to stay as he
    should be and not "make any waves". How come it all ended up in this ABC=

    life system in which if you miss A you are fucked? And that every five
    minutes one has to kiss ass? Is new culture about kissing ass and is
    Internet an anti-ass-kissing weapon ( thanks to anonymous emails? ). Who=

    are the biggest critics of our times? Artists? Does art teach people not =
    to
    kiss ass? I don't think so? What do! Does art teach anything at all?
  • Max Herman | Wed Jul 31st 2002 1 a.m.
    Wasn't the plumber in "Brazil" the bad one, the terrorist?

    Robert de Niro, terrorist plumber.
  • curt cloninger | Wed Jul 31st 2002 1 a.m.
    He was a heating engineer, and he was good. He was in it "for the action."

    At 7:14 PM -0400 7/31/02, Nmherman@aol.com wrote:
    >Wasn't the plumber in "Brazil" the bad one, the terrorist?
    >
    >Robert de Niro, terrorist plumber.
  • Max Herman | Wed Jul 31st 2002 1 a.m.
    In a message dated 7/31/2002 5:05:19 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.yu
    writes:

    > Mr Tosic in his text made visible the essential issue concerning the sense
    > and purpose of Internet as means of communication as well as the most
    > important area: relations between ETHICS, AESTHETICS and ART.

    Yeah but I thought you were trying to diss him, and I didn't know who you
    were.

    So go give your own self a swirly you bourgeois diarrhea explosion, and let
    Tosic finish, or else, your service.

    Max Herman
    genius2000.net

    ++
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Wed Jul 31st 2002 1 a.m.
    YOU,nasty,filthy,young boy!Take me!Dont use Mr. Tosic as a anapologize for=
    your own creative impotenceAnd,dont cut my messages.
    s----- Original Message -----
    From: Nmherman@aol.com
    To: manik@ptt.yu ; nikola@tosic.com ; list@rhizome.org ; curt@lab404.com=

    Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:35 AM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: PLUMBER

    In a message dated 7/31/2002 5:05:19 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.=
    yu writes:

    Mr Tosic in his text made visible the essential issue concerning the se=
    nse and purpose of Internet as means of communication as well as the most =
    important area: relations between ETHICS, AESTHETICS and ART.

    Yeah but I thought you were trying to diss him, and I didn't know who you=
    were.

    So go give your own self a swirly you bourgeois diarrhea explosion, and l=
    et Tosic finish, or else, your service.

    Max Herman
    genius2000.net

    ++
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    Oh,Herb!
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Nmherman@aol.com
    To: manik@ptt.yu ; nikola@tosic.com ; list@rhizome.org ; curt@lab404.com=

    Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:35 AM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: PLUMBER

    In a message dated 7/31/2002 5:05:19 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.=
    yu writes:

    Mr Tosic in his text made visible the essential issue concerning the se=
    nse and purpose of Internet as means of communication as well as the most =
    important area: relations between ETHICS, AESTHETICS and ART.

    Yeah but I thought you were trying to diss him, and I didn't know who you=
    were.

    So go give your own self a swirly you bourgeois diarrhea explosion, and l=
    et Tosic finish, or else, your service.

    Max Herman
    genius2000.net

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    m"
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    rning
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    the most important area: relations between ETHICS, AESTHETICS and ART.=

    </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Yeah but I thought you were trying to diss him, and =
    I
    didn't know who you were.<BR><BR>So go give your own self a swirly you
    bourgeois diarrhea explosion, and let Tosic finish, or else, your
    service.<BR><BR>Max Herman<BR>genius2000.net<BR><BR>++</FONT>
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  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Thu Aug 1st 2002 1 a.m.
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    Hermy,go get some ART.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Nmherman@aol.com
    To: manik@ptt.yu ; nikola@tosic.com ; list@rhizome.org ; curt@lab404.com=

    Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:35 AM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: PLUMBER

    In a message dated 7/31/2002 5:05:19 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.=
    yu writes:

    Mr Tosic in his text made visible the essential issue concerning the se=
    nse and purpose of Internet as means of communication as well as the most =
    important area: relations between ETHICS, AESTHETICS and ART.

    Yeah but I thought you were trying to diss him, and I didn't know who you=
    were.

    So go give your own self a swirly you bourgeois diarrhea explosion, and l=
    et Tosic finish, or else, your service.

    Max Herman
    genius2000.net

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    m:</B>
    <A href="mailto:Nmherman@aol.com" title=Nmherman@aol.com>Nmherman@aol=
    .com</A>
    </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:manik@ptt.yu=
    "
    title=manik@ptt.yu>manik@ptt.yu</A> ; <A href="mailto:nikola@tosic.co=
    m"
    title=nikola@tosic.com>nikola@tosic.com</A> ; <A
    href="mailto:list@rhizome.org" title=list@rhizome.org>list@rhizome.or=
    g</A> ;
    <A href="mailto:curt@lab404.com" title=curt@lab404.com>curt@lab404.co=
    m</A>
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    TYPE="CITE">Mr Tosic in his text made visible the essential issue conce=
    rning
    the sense and purpose of Internet as means of communication as well as&=
    nbsp;
    the most important area: relations between ETHICS, AESTHETICS and ART.=

    </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Yeah but I thought you were trying to diss him, and =
    I
    didn't know who you were.<BR><BR>So go give your own self a swirly you
    bourgeois diarrhea explosion, and let Tosic finish, or else, your
    service.<BR><BR>Max Herman<BR>genius2000.net<BR><BR>++</FONT>
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  • Max Herman | Thu Aug 1st 2002 1 a.m.
    In a message dated 7/31/2002 8:35:05 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.yu
    writes:

    > YOU,nasty,filthy,young boy!Take me!

    OK.
  • Max Herman | Thu Aug 1st 2002 1 a.m.
    In a message dated 7/31/2002 11:13:01 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.yu
    writes:

    > Hermy,go get some ART.

    Anyone opening these? Are they good? What are they?

    What does the PLUMBER mean by them?
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Thu Aug 1st 2002 1 a.m.
    1. Performance
  • Max Herman | Thu Aug 1st 2002 1 a.m.
    In a message dated 8/1/2002 8:16:59 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.yu=

    writes:

    > In the performance each element in opposition constitutes itself by
    > repeating the action. During the repetition process the “subject=
    ” and the “
    > acts” appear. The rejecting matrix separates distinguishes the pr=
    actices of
    > the subject and separates them into rejected fields, the fields of freedo=
    m.
    > Repetition and rejection constitutes the subject. The issue of the subjec=
    t
    > is of key importance for politics.

    Um, does this relate to Lisa Jevbratt's Data-Mingling model? I think maybe=

    not so much? It's good though.
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Thu Aug 1st 2002 1 a.m.
    4. Milieu (Ambience) - installation "Gray zone - house workshop"

    We would construct an installation "in site" from the milieu of our stay in=
    the theatre Augenblick. It is the gray zone, the laboratory zone of perman=
    ent transformation, an autistic space, the only one where the critical lan=
    guage of difference- philosophical metaphor of defeat is constructed (Derid=
    a's La Differece and Delez's et Repetition).

    The milieu consist of a bed with yellow bed linen (which we will bring ), t=
    en identical photos (we will bring them), A4 prints (we will bring them), 2=
    television sets which will continually show 2 video films (we will bring t=
    he 2 video tapes), a cassette recorder on the bed playing a tape which enum=
    erates in German: without state, without nation, without institutions, wi=
    thout supporters, without parents, without .. (200 terms). Our texts - post=
    ers, and inscriptions are on the walls. The emphasis is on the repetition o=
    f all kinds of texts (picture, statements, and sounds). The meanings are be=
    ing transformed into serials, are being duplicated, separated and new "Sign=
    ifiers" are being discovered. The conditions for the appearance of the unbe=
    arable, sightless, politically relevant subject are created from the ghetto=
    ized space of exile, rejection, and invisibility.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Nmherman@aol.com
    To: manik@ptt.yu ; nikola@tosic.com ; list@rhizome.org ; curt@lab404.com=

    Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:00 AM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: PLUMBER

    In a message dated 7/31/2002 8:35:05 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.=
    yu writes:

    YOU,nasty,filthy,young boy!Take me!

    OK.
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Thu Aug 1st 2002 1 a.m.
    The uninhabitable zone is a socially unacceptable but densely populated spa=
    ce. Due to these qualifications it is essential in order to define, descri=
    be and expand the area of the Subject. The process is reversible because no=
    matter how excluded the interfering infrastructure of the Subject is from=
    the contract, it is accepted as a derivative so the periphery and the reje=
    cted, the excluded (Verwrenfung) become one surface on the Body of society.=
    To live in Verwerfung is to live in a de-territorialized discontinuity, s=
    chizophrenically and machine like, advocating plurality as an act of creati=
    vity and thus a language of critique. We can not avoid hegemony/ the mainst=
    ream, we can only submit to it speeding up the end, accepting and going int=
    o transformations as synthetic requirements of the madness of illogical pra=
    ctice. In the gray, ghettoized, utopian non-democratic zones language buzze=
    s and is wedged. The image/personality/subject/identity is autistic, reject=
    ed, isolated, unnecessary and thus it is unavoidably satisfied, optimistic =
    because it steals language (the language of skills, the language of foreign=
    ers, the language of psychology, the language of a nation, the language of =
    economy, the language of new technologies, forgotten languages, the languag=
    es of all possible alienation) it intensifies its satisfaction and in a Rie=
    mann's surface departs and extinguishes itself like exhaustion and a decis=
    ion a machine would make.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Nmherman@aol.com
    To: manik@ptt.yu ; nikola@tosic.com ; list@rhizome.org ; curt@lab404.com=

    Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:00 AM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: PLUMBER

    In a message dated 7/31/2002 8:35:05 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.=
    yu writes:

    YOU,nasty,filthy,young boy!Take me!

    OK.
  • portholeaccel | Thu Aug 1st 2002 1 a.m.
    interesting but why instillation or performance can this not be something more minimalistic why so much trouble? and has it been done? it says -would- who are you and where do you come from and why?.............
    manik wrote:
    4. Milieu (Ambience)
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Fri Aug 2nd 2002 1 a.m.
    Wake up soon.
    James Bond
    Miss.Manypeny@anti-factory
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Nmherman@aol.com
    To: manik@ptt.yu ; nikola@tosic.com ; list@rhizome.org ; curt@lab404.com=

    Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:27 AM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: PLUMBER

    In a message dated 8/1/2002 8:16:59 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.y=
    u writes:

    In the performance each element in opposition constitutes itself by rep=
    eating the action. During the repetition process the aEoesubjectaE=
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Fri Aug 2nd 2002 1 a.m.
    Why?I dont know WHY?There's so many secret in art.What's minimalistic?Ask a=
    nt and elephant.There's wery important point to considered question about m=
    inimalism-end of the rhinocerus horn.

    Cordialy

    MANIK

    Our online exhibitions:

    FreeBiennial curated by Sal Randolf

    http://www.freewords.org/biennial/artist/vegetable.html

    "Mirror at the Botton"curated by Agricola de Cologne

    http://www.a-virtual-memorial.org/selfportret.htm

    The Salvagio Museum of Modern Living

    "Pictures of the Night Time Sky"

    curated by Eric Salvaggio

    http://www.salvaggio-museum.org/night/

    Our artistic work include painting,drawing,sculpture,performances,video,pho=
    tography,all kind of instalation,happening.We are writing about art as a cu=
    ltural,sociologic,philosophic,economic,geostrategic... phaenomena.We are pr=
    inting "MANIK"magazine.

    You can see our page at:

    http://www.freemanifesta.org/artists/manik.html

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: natalie myers
    To: list@rhizome.org
    Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:04 AM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: PLUMBER

    interesting but why instillation or performance can this not be something=
    more minimalistic why so much trouble? and has it been done? it says -woul=
    d- who are you and where do you come from and why?.............

    manik wrote:

    4. Milieu (Ambience) - installation "Gray zone - house workshop"

    We would construct an installation "in site" from the milieu of our sta=
    y in the theatre Augenblick. It is the gray zone, the laboratory zone of pe=
    rmanent transformation, an autistic space, the only one where the critical=
    language of difference- philosophical metaphor of defeat is constructed (D=
    erida's La Differece and Delez's et Repetition).

    The milieu consist of a bed with yellow bed linen (which we will bring =
    ), ten identical photos (we will bring them), A4 prints (we will bring them=
    ), 2 television sets which will continually show 2 video films (we will bri=
    ng the 2 video tapes), a cassette recorder on the bed playing a tape which =
    enumerates in German: without state, without nation, without institutions=
    , without supporters, without parents, without .. (200 terms). Our texts - =
    posters, and inscriptions are on the walls. The emphasis is on the repetiti=
    on of all kinds of texts (picture, statements, and sounds). The meanings ar=
    e being transformed into serials, are being duplicated, separated and new "=
    Signifiers" are being discovered. The conditions for the appearance of the =
    unbea! rable, sightless, politically relevant subject are created from the =
    ghettoized space of exile, rejection, and invisibility.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Nmherman@aol.com
    To: manik@ptt.yu ; nikola@tosic.com ; list@rhizome.org ; curt@lab404.=
    com
    Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:00 AM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: PLUMBER

    In a message dated 7/31/2002 8:35:05 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@=
    ptt.yu writes:

    YOU,nasty,filthy,young boy!Take me!

    OK.

    FRESH FISH

    CHINESE TAKE AWAY

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  • portholeaccel | Fri Aug 2nd 2002 1 a.m.
    not minimalist as period - but as just less trouble less material like proto-materialism horns and ants oh my
    manik wrote:
    Why?I dont know WHY?There's so many secret in art.What's minimalistic?Ask ant and elephant.There's wery important point to considered question about minimalism-end of the rhinocerus horn.

    Cordialy

    MANIK

    Our online exhibitions:

    FreeBiennial curated by Sal Randolf

    http://www.freewords.org/biennial/artist/vegetable.html

    'Mirror at the Botton
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Fri Aug 2nd 2002 1 a.m.
    Hello Natalie,
    Minimal art is post painting and post sculptural mowement(NYC,60-is)...Term=
    "minimal art"pronounce analitic aesthetic R.Wolfhime...etc.Oh my!Doo your h=
    omework.I was trying to make visibile phaenomena of minimal stile .No more =
    free lesons.
    MANIK
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: natalie myers
    To: list@rhizome.org
    Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:22 PM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: PLUMBER

    not minimalist as period - but as just less trouble less material like pr=
    oto-materialism horns and ants oh my

    manik wrote:

    Why?I dont know WHY?There's so many secret in art.What's minimalistic?A=
    sk ant and elephant.There's wery important point to considered question abo=
    ut minimalism-end of the rhinocerus horn.

    Cordialy

    MANIK

    Our online exhibitions:

    FreeBiennial curated by Sal Randolf

    http://www.freewords.org/biennial/artist/vegetable.html

    "Mirror at the Botton"curated by Agricola de Cologne

    http://www.a-virtual-memorial.org/selfportret.htm

    The Salvagio Museum of Modern Living

    "Pictures of the Night Time Sky"

    curated by Eric Salvaggio

    http://www.salvaggio-museum.org/night/

    Our artistic work include painting,drawing,sculpture,performances,video=
    ,photography,all kind of instalation,happening.We are writing about art as =
    a cultural,sociologic,philosophic,economic,geostrategic... phaenomena.We ar=
    e printing "MANIK"magazine.

    You can see our page at:

    http://www.freemanifesta.org/artists/manik.html

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: natalie myers
    To: list@rhizome.org
    Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:04 AM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: PLUMBER

    interesting but why instillation or performance can this not be somet=
    hing more minimalistic why so much trouble? and has it been done? it says -=
    would- who are you and where do you come from and why?.............

    manik wrote:

    4. Milieu (Ambience) - installation "Gray zone - house workshop"

    We would construct an installation "in site" from the milieu of our=
    stay in the theatre Augenblick. It is the gray zone, the laboratory zone o=
    f permanent transformation, an autistic space, the only one where the crit=
    ical language of difference- philosophical metaphor of defeat is constructe=
    d (Derida's La Differece and Delez's et Repetition).

    The milieu consist of a bed with yellow bed linen (which we will br=
    ing ), ten identical photos (we will bring them), A4 prints (we will bring =
    them), 2 television sets which will continually show 2 video films (we will=
    bring the 2 video tapes), a cassette recorder on the bed playing a tape wh=
    ich enumerates in German: without state, without nation, without institut=
    ions, without supporters, without parents, without .. (200 terms). Our text=
    s - posters, and inscriptions are on the walls. The emphasis is on the repe=
    tition of all kinds of texts (picture, statements, and sounds). The meaning=
    s are being transformed into serials, are being duplicated, separated and n=
    ew "Signifiers" are being discovered. The conditions for the appearance of =
    the unbea! ! rable, sightless, politically relevant subject are created fro=
    m the ghettoized space of exile, rejection, and invisibility.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Nmherman@aol.com
    To: manik@ptt.yu ; nikola@tosic.com ; list@rhizome.org ; curt@lab=
    404.com
    Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:00 AM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: PLUMBER

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  • portholeaccel | Fri Aug 2nd 2002 1 a.m.
    i stopped listing on rhizome today you will be the last mail i respond to: i think you are miss understanding what i am saying i siad not as min-period but as in proto-materialism why performance ie all the world is a stage it just seems like to much effort and why instillation i mean well VR is more interesting. no need to respond back i think you have some interesting ideas be well good bye natalie good bye to everyone else too
    manik wrote:Hello Natalie,Minimal art is post painting and post sculptural mowement(NYC,60-is)...Term"minimal art"pronounce analitic aesthetic R.Wolfhime...etc.Oh my!Doo your homework.I was trying to make visibile phaenomena of minimal stile .No more free lesons.MANIK----- Original Message ----- From: natalie myers To: list@rhizome.org Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:22 PMSubject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: PLUMBER

    not minimalist as period - but as just less trouble less material like proto-materialism horns and ants oh my
    manik wrote:
    Why?I dont know WHY?There's so many secret in art.What's minimalistic?Ask ant and elephant.There's wery important point to considered question about minimalism-end of the rhinocerus horn.

    Cordialy

    MANIK

    Our online exhibitions:

    FreeBiennial curated by Sal Randolf

    http://www.freewords.org/biennial/artist/vegetable.html

    'Mirror at the Botton
  • Max Herman | Fri Aug 2nd 2002 1 a.m.
    In a message dated 8/2/2002 4:02:59 PM Central Daylight Time, manik@ptt.yu
    writes:

    > Term"minimal art"pronounce analitic aesthetic R.Wolfhime

    Yes, they are trying to tear me on Wolfllin over at AF but frankly my peeps
    are holding their powder fine, such as they are.

    All women work together, even if they work alone.

    Robert Frost
    genius2000.net

    ++
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