Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World

Posted by A. Andreas | Fri Sep 21st 2007 9:31 a.m.

Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World

Materiality / Immateriality
Money Economy Gift Economy
Science / Religion
Aesthetics Politics
Private / Public
Individual Collective
Elite / Masses
Socialism Fascism
Institutionalized Culture / Underground
The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
Urban / Rural
Outsiders Insiders
Literated / Illiterated
Artist Audience
Consumer / Producer
Ignorance Awareness

Determination of your position, and more,

14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
Media as Soft Arms'

In case you missed it, see archived show:

http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55

Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:

"Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
submission which reflects upon
  • Vijay Pattisapu | Sat Sep 22nd 2007 11:25 p.m.
    Aesthetics and politics are a clash of discourses?

    On 21/09/2007, Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    >
    > Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    >
    > Materiality / Immateriality
    > Money Economy Gift Economy
    > Science / Religion
    > Aesthetics Politics
    > Private / Public
    > Individual Collective
    > Elite / Masses
    > Socialism Fascism
    > Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    > The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    > Urban / Rural
    > Outsiders Insiders
    > Literated / Illiterated
    > Artist Audience
    > Consumer / Producer
    > Ignorance Awareness
    >
    > Determination of your position, and more,
    >
    > 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    > Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    > accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    > Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    > Media as Soft Arms'
    >
    >
    > In case you missed it, see archived show:
    >
    > http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showid=4355
    >
    >
    > Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    >
    > "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    > submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance
  • Rhizomer | Sun Sep 23rd 2007 12:33 p.m.
    Private and public must have clash i think.

    Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would try to. we would try to become famous

    Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's

    Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World

    Materiality / Immateriality
    Money Economy Gift Economy
    Science / Religion
    Aesthetics Politics
    Private / Public
    Individual Collective
    Elite / Masses
    Socialism Fascism
    Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    Urban / Rural
    Outsiders Insiders
    Literated / Illiterated
    Artist Audience
    Consumer / Producer
    Ignorance Awareness

    Determination of your position, and more,

    14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    Media as Soft Arms'

    In case you missed it, see archived show:

    http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55

    Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:

    "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    submission which reflects upon
  • Martin John Callanan | Sun Sep 23rd 2007 8:17 p.m.
    What is a tv?

    On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" <utku\_omeroglu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > Private and public must have clash i think.
    >
    >
    >
    > Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would =
    try
    > to. we would try to become famous
    >
    >
    >
    > Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's
    >
    >
    >
    > Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    >
    >> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    >>
    >> Materiality / Immateriality
    >> Money Economy Gift Economy
    >> Science / Religion
    >> Aesthetics Politics
    >> Private / Public
    >> Individual Collective
    >> Elite / Masses
    >> Socialism Fascism
    >> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    >> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    >> Urban / Rural
    >> Outsiders Insiders
    >> Literated / Illiterated
    >> Artist Audience
    >> Consumer / Producer
    >> Ignorance Awareness
    >>
    >> Determination of your position, and more,
    >>
    >> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    >> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    >> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    >> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    >> Media as Soft Arms'
    >>
    >>
    >> In case you missed it, see archived show:
    >>
    >> http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showid=4355
    >>
    >>
    >> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    >>
    >> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    >> submission which reflects upon
  • Agam Andreas | Mon Sep 24th 2007 7:10 p.m.
    A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces (moving)
    images and sounds through media space.
    In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate ideas,
    thoughts and opinions which are not ours.
    In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our
    feelings , thoughts and opinions to share with each other.

    A, Andreas

    Publisher Nictoglobe

    http://www.nictoglobe.com

    On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:

    > What is a tv?
    >
    >
    >
    > On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" <utku\_omeroglu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Private and public must have clash i think.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we
    >> would try to. we would try to become famous
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible
    >> on tv's
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    >>>
    >>> Materiality / Immateriality
    >>> Money Economy Gift Economy
    >>> Science / Religion
    >>> Aesthetics Politics
    >>> Private / Public
    >>> Individual Collective
    >>> Elite / Masses
    >>> Socialism Fascism
    >>> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    >>> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    >>> Urban / Rural
    >>> Outsiders Insiders
    >>> Literated / Illiterated
    >>> Artist Audience
    >>> Consumer / Producer
    >>> Ignorance Awareness
    >>>
    >>> Determination of your position, and more,
    >>>
    >>> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    >>> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    >>> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    >>> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    >>> Media as Soft Arms'
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> In case you missed it, see archived show:
    >>>
    >>> http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showid=4355
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    >>>
    >>> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    >>> submission which reflects upon
  • Pall Thayer | Mon Sep 24th 2007 7:43 p.m.
    The TV does not produce moving images and sounds. People produce
    moving images and sounds and relay them through TVs, directly into
    people's homes. That's what makes what you say in the next sentence
    important. A machine that produces moving images and sounds can't be
    malevolent. That requires a human.

    Pall

    On 9/24/07, Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    > A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces (moving) images
    > and sounds through media space.
    > In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate ideas, thoughts
    > and opinions which are not ours.
    > In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our feelings ,
    > thoughts and opinions to share with each other.
    >
    > A, Andreas
    >
    > Publisher Nictoglobe
    >
    > http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >
    >
    > On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:
    > What is a tv?
    >
    >
    >
    > On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" <utku_omeroglu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Private and public must have clash i think.
    >
    >
    >
    > Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would
    > try to. we would try to become famous
    >
    >
    >
    > Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's
    >
    >
    >
    > Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    >
    > Materiality / Immateriality
    > Money Economy Gift Economy
    > Science / Religion
    > Aesthetics Politics
    > Private / Public
    > Individual Collective
    > Elite / Masses
    > Socialism Fascism
    > Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    > The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    > Urban / Rural
    > Outsiders Insiders
    > Literated / Illiterated
    > Artist Audience
    > Consumer / Producer
    > Ignorance Awareness
    >
    > Determination of your position, and more,
    >
    > 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    > Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    > accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    > Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    > Media as Soft Arms'
    >
    >
    > In case you missed it, see archived show:
    >
    > http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
    >
    >
    > Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    >
    > "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    > submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance
  • Martin John Callanan | Mon Sep 24th 2007 8:15 p.m.
    It's irreverent to include "TV" [in it's own right] within any discourse of
    the present. TV used basic electronics controlling an analogue display (more
    than 100 years ago). This was superseded by digital then digital using HD.
    The signals and the decoding equipment it requires are; a computer. The
    display resolution even matches a computer screen. It is a computer. They
    converged a while ago. It's irreverent to separate TV from a computer; it's
    simply one of the many tasks people rely on computers to perform.

    Personally, I have never even owned a TV.

    m

    On 24/9/07 23:43, "Pall Thayer" <pallthay@gmail.com> wrote:

    > The TV does not produce moving images and sounds. People produce
    > moving images and sounds and relay them through TVs, directly into
    > people's homes. That's what makes what you say in the next sentence
    > important. A machine that produces moving images and sounds can't be
    > malevolent. That requires a human.
    >
    > Pall
    >
    > On 9/24/07, Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    >> A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces (moving) images
    >> and sounds through media space.
    >> In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate ideas, thoughts
    >> and opinions which are not ours.
    >> In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our feelings ,
    >> thoughts and opinions to share with each other.
    >>
    >> A, Andreas
    >>
    >> Publisher Nictoglobe
    >>
    >> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >>
    >>
    >> On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:
    >> What is a tv?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" <utku_omeroglu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> Private and public must have clash i think.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would
    >> try to. we would try to become famous
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    >>
    >> Materiality / Immateriality
    >> Money Economy Gift Economy
    >> Science / Religion
    >> Aesthetics Politics
    >> Private / Public
    >> Individual Collective
    >> Elite / Masses
    >> Socialism Fascism
    >> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    >> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    >> Urban / Rural
    >> Outsiders Insiders
    >> Literated / Illiterated
    >> Artist Audience
    >> Consumer / Producer
    >> Ignorance Awareness
    >>
    >> Determination of your position, and more,
    >>
    >> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    >> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    >> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    >> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    >> Media as Soft Arms'
    >>
    >>
    >> In case you missed it, see archived show:
    >>
    >> http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
    >>
    >>
    >> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    >>
    >> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    >> submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance
  • Vijay Pattisapu | Tue Sep 25th 2007 4:03 a.m.
    > Private and public must have clash i think.

    Explain the "must."

    That there is a private individual despite the horde --> everyone is a genius ?

    > Do you think we are living in a big tv?

    I am reminded of how Umberto Eco saying that he only truly felt
    connected to the medieval world, and that he only knew the modern
    world through the TV.

    > If we wanted to be there we would try
    > to. we would try to become famous

    What else is MySpace, Facebook, etc.?

    Vijay
    15 seconds of fame

    > Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's
    >
    > Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    >
    > Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    >
    > Materiality / Immateriality
    > Money Economy Gift Economy
    > Science / Religion
    > Aesthetics Politics
    > Private / Public
    > Individual Collective
    > Elite / Masses
    > Socialism Fascism
    > Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    > The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    > Urban / Rural
    > Outsiders Insiders
    > Literated / Illiterated
    > Artist Audience
    > Consumer / Producer
    > Ignorance Awareness
    >
    > Determination of your position, and more,
    >
    > 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    > Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    > accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    > Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    > Media as Soft Arms'
    >
    >
    > In case you missed it, see archived show:
    >
    > http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
    >
    >
    > Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    >
    > "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    > submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance
  • Rhizomer | Tue Sep 25th 2007 10:41 a.m.
    everywhere including my (space and facebook became as television)and including Galata,Kad&#305;koy.Streets'boards,cafes,bookshops,restaurants can be extension of bloggers,mailgroups,my face?

    exercicing cold war tactics tird world country's most famous streets. No one ask?

    Vijay Pattisapu <lexicontrol@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Private and public must have clash i think.

    Explain the "must."

    That there is a private individual despite the horde --> everyone is a genius ?

    > Do you think we are living in a big tv?

    I am reminded of how Umberto Eco saying that he only truly felt
    connected to the medieval world, and that he only knew the modern
    world through the TV.

    > If we wanted to be there we would try
    > to. we would try to become famous

    What else is MySpace, Facebook, etc.?

    Vijay
    15 seconds of fame

    > Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's
    >
    > Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    >
    > Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    >
    > Materiality / Immateriality
    > Money Economy Gift Economy
    > Science / Religion
    > Aesthetics Politics
    > Private / Public
    > Individual Collective
    > Elite / Masses
    > Socialism Fascism
    > Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    > The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    > Urban / Rural
    > Outsiders Insiders
    > Literated / Illiterated
    > Artist Audience
    > Consumer / Producer
    > Ignorance Awareness
    >
    > Determination of your position, and more,
    >
    > 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    > Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    > accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    > Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    > Media as Soft Arms'
    >
    >
    > In case you missed it, see archived show:
    >
    > http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
    >
    >
    > Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    >
    > "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    > submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance
  • Rhizomer | Tue Sep 25th 2007 10:52 a.m.
    It's true

    Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote: A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces (moving) images and sounds through media space. In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate ideas, thoughts and opinions which are not ours.
    In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our feelings , thoughts and opinions to share with each other.

    A, Andreas

    Publisher Nictoglobe

    http://www.nictoglobe.com

    On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:

    What is a tv?

    On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" <utku\_omeroglu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Private and public must have clash i think.

    Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would try to. we would try to become famous

    Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's

    Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:

    Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World

    Materiality / Immateriality
    Money Economy Gift Economy
    Science / Religion
    Aesthetics Politics
    Private / Public
    Individual Collective
    Elite / Masses
    Socialism Fascism
    Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    Urban / Rural
    Outsiders Insiders
    Literated / Illiterated
    Artist Audience
    Consumer / Producer
    Ignorance Awareness

    Determination of your position, and more,

    14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    Media as Soft Arms'

    In case you missed it, see archived show:

    http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55

    Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:

    "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    submission which reflects upon
  • Rhizomer | Tue Sep 25th 2007 11:04 a.m.
    No, there is m.....i recognized that your TV is there, in Kadykoy,istanbul. they eat you in a cafe

    Martin John Callanan <m@greyisgood.eu> wrote:
    It's irreverent to include "TV" [in it's own right] within any discourse of
    the present. TV used basic electronics controlling an analogue display (more
    than 100 years ago). This was superseded by digital then digital using HD.
    The signals and the decoding equipment it requires are; a computer. The
    display resolution even matches a computer screen. It is a computer. They
    converged a while ago. It's irreverent to separate TV from a computer; it's
    simply one of the many tasks people rely on computers to perform.

    Personally, I have never even owned a TV.

    m

    On 24/9/07 23:43, "Pall Thayer"
    wrote:

    > The TV does not produce moving images and sounds. People produce
    > moving images and sounds and relay them through TVs, directly into
    > people's homes. That's what makes what you say in the next sentence
    > important. A machine that produces moving images and sounds can't be
    > malevolent. That requires a human.
    >
    > Pall
    >
    > On 9/24/07, Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    >> A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces (moving) images
    >> and sounds through media space.
    >> In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate ideas, thoughts
    >> and opinions which are not ours.
    >> In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our feelings ,
    >> thoughts and opinions to share with each other.
    >>
    >> A, Andreas
    >>
    >> Publisher Nictoglobe
    >>
    >> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >>
    >>
    >> On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:
    >> What is a tv?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> Private and public must have clash i think.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would
    >> try to. we would try to become famous
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    >>
    >> Materiality / Immateriality
    >> Money Economy Gift Economy
    >> Science / Religion
    >> Aesthetics Politics
    >> Private / Public
    >> Individual Collective
    >> Elite / Masses
    >> Socialism Fascism
    >> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    >> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    >> Urban / Rural
    >> Outsiders Insiders
    >> Literated / Illiterated
    >> Artist Audience
    >> Consumer / Producer
    >> Ignorance Awareness
    >>
    >> Determination of your position, and more,
    >>
    >> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    >> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    >> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    >> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    >> Media as Soft Arms'
    >>
    >>
    >> In case you missed it, see archived show:
    >>
    >> http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
    >>
    >>
    >> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    >>
    >> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    >> submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance &shy; new media as
    >> soft arms' as an starting point to develop a more profound and
    >> public, artistic led discussion about this subject."
    >>
    >>
    >> Best
    >>
    >> A. Andreas - Publisher Nictoglobe
    >>
    >>
    >> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >>
    >>
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  • Martin John Callanan | Tue Sep 25th 2007 11:14 a.m.
    TV is TV. It doesn't matter where the physical location of the set may or
    may not be.

    Everything that could be discussed about TV has been. There is no point at
    all in discussing what already has been. Read what has already been written.
    There is plenty of it.

    There are now other [new] things to discuss.

    On 25/9/07 15:04, "utku omeroglu" <utku_omeroglu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > No, there is m.....i recognized that your TV is there, in Kadykoy,istanbul.
    > they eat you in a cafe
    >
    > Martin John Callanan <m@greyisgood.eu> wrote:
    >>
    >> It's irreverent to include "TV" [in it's own right] within any discourse of
    >> the present. TV used basic electronics controlling an analogue display (more
    >> than 100 years ago). This was superseded by digital then digital using HD.
    >> The signals and the decoding equipment it requires are; a computer. The
    >> display resolution even matches a computer screen. It is a computer. They
    >> converged a while ago. It's irreverent to separate TV from a computer; it's
    >> simply one of the many tasks people rely on computers to perform.
    >>
    >> Personally, I have never even owned a TV.
    >>
    >> m
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 24/9/07 23:43, "Pall Thayer" wrote:
    >>
    >>> The TV does not produce moving images and sounds. People produce
    >>> moving images and sounds and relay them through TVs, directly into
    >>> people's homes. That's what makes what you say in the next sentence
    >>> important. A machine that produces moving images and sounds can't be
    >>> malevolent. That requires a human.
    >>>
    >>> Pall
    >>>
    >>> On 9/24/07, Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    >>>> A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces (moving) images
    >>>> and sounds through media space.
    >>>> In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate ideas, thoughts
    >>>> and opinions which are not ours.
    >>>> In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our feelings ,
    >>>> thoughts and opinions to share with each other.
    >>>>
    >>>> A, Andreas
    >>>>
    >>>> Publisher Nictoglobe
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:
    >>>> What is a tv?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Private and public must have clash i think.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would
    >>>> try to. we would try to become famous
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    >>>>
    >>>> Materiality / Immateriality
    >>>> Money Economy Gift Economy
    >>>> Science / Religion
    >>>> Aesthetics Politics
    >>>> Private / Public
    >>>> Individual Collective
    >>>> Elite / Masses
    >>>> Socialism Fascism
    >>>> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    >>>> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    >>>> Urban / Rural
    >>>> Outsiders Insiders
    >>>> Literated / Illiterated
    >>>> Artist Audience
    >>>> Consumer / Producer
    >>>> Ignorance Awareness
    >>>>
    >>>> Determination of your position, and more,
    >>>>
    >>>> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    >>>> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    >>>> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    >>>> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    >>>> Media as Soft Arms'
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> In case you missed it, see archived show:
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    >>>>
    >>>> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    >>>> submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance - new media as
    >>>> soft arms' as an starting point to develop a more profound and
    >>>> public, artistic led discussion about this subject."
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Best
    >>>>
    >>>> A. Andreas - Publisher Nictoglobe
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> +
    >>>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
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    >>>> +
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    >>>>
    >>>>
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    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Martin John Callanan
    >>>> http://greyisgood.eu
    >>>>
    >>>> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
    >>>> http://location.greyisgood.eu
    >>>>
    >>>> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    >>>> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Martin John Callanan
    >> http://greyisgood.eu
    >>
    >> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
    >> http://location.greyisgood.eu
    >>
    >> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    >> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
    >>
    >>
    >> +
    >> -> post: list@rhizome.org
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  • Rhizomer | Tue Sep 25th 2007 11:24 a.m.
    Let's speak about false accidents,false images,street' general gossips which make shout up the truths.Benevolents should use street's TV

    Martin John Callanan <m@greyisgood.eu> wrote:
    TV is TV. It doesn't matter where the physical location of the set may or
    may not be.

    Everything that could be discussed about TV has been. There is no point at
    all in discussing what already has been. Read what has already been written.
    There is plenty of it.

    There are now other [new] things to discuss.

    On 25/9/07 15:04, "utku omeroglu" wrote:

    > No, there is m.....i recognized that your TV is there, in Kadykoy,istanbul.
    > they eat you in a cafe
    >
    > Martin John Callanan wrote:
    >>
    >> It's irreverent to include "TV" [in it's own right] within any discourse of
    >> the present. TV used basic electronics controlling an analogue display (more
    >> than 100 years ago). This was superseded by digital then digital using HD.
    >> The signals and the decoding equipment it requires are; a computer. The
    >> display resolution even matches a computer screen. It is a computer. They
    >> converged a while ago. It's irreverent to separate TV from a computer; it's
    >> simply one of the many tasks people rely on computers to perform.
    >>
    >> Personally, I have never even owned a TV.
    >>
    >> m
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 24/9/07 23:43, "Pall Thayer" wrote:
    >>
    >>> The TV does not produce moving images and sounds. People produce
    >>> moving images and sounds and relay them through TVs, directly into
    >>> people's homes. That's what makes what you say in the next sentence
    >>> important. A machine that produces moving images and sounds can't be
    >>> malevolent. That requires a human.
    >>>
    >>> Pall
    >>>
    >>> On 9/24/07, Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    >>>> A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces (moving) images
    >>>> and sounds through media space.
    >>>> In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate ideas, thoughts
    >>>> and opinions which are not ours.
    >>>> In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our feelings ,
    >>>> thoughts and opinions to share with each other.
    >>>>
    >>>> A, Andreas
    >>>>
    >>>> Publisher Nictoglobe
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:
    >>>> What is a tv?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Private and public must have clash i think.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would
    >>>> try to. we would try to become famous
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    >>>>
    >>>> Materiality / Immateriality
    >>>> Money Economy Gift Economy
    >>>> Science / Religion
    >>>> Aesthetics Politics
    >>>> Private / Public
    >>>> Individual Collective
    >>>> Elite / Masses
    >>>> Socialism Fascism
    >>>> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    >>>> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    >>>> Urban / Rural
    >>>> Outsiders Insiders
    >>>> Literated / Illiterated
    >>>> Artist Audience
    >>>> Consumer / Producer
    >>>> Ignorance Awareness
    >>>>
    >>>> Determination of your position, and more,
    >>>>
    >>>> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    >>>> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    >>>> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    >>>> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    >>>> Media as Soft Arms'
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> In case you missed it, see archived show:
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    >>>>
    >>>> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    >>>> submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance - new media as
    >>>> soft arms' as an starting point to develop a more profound and
    >>>> public, artistic led discussion about this subject."
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Best
    >>>>
    >>>> A. Andreas - Publisher Nictoglobe
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> +
    >>>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
    >>>> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    >>>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
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    >>>> +
    >>>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
    >>>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Martin John Callanan
    >>>> http://greyisgood.eu
    >>>>
    >>>> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
    >>>> http://location.greyisgood.eu
    >>>>
    >>>> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    >>>> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Martin John Callanan
    >> http://greyisgood.eu
    >>
    >> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
    >> http://location.greyisgood.eu
    >>
    >> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    >> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
    >>
    >>
    >> +
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  • Rhizomer | Tue Sep 25th 2007 11:38 a.m.
    it's very normal.. you walk on the street.. you are a researcher.. a stone of building falls on you...it should be accident! definiteley
    you are shooting a documentary in a park in between blues and greens(not only (nearby sea and trees ) but also many big textures in these colours exist there becaose of different reasons...then they make an ugly chromakey ugly film of you..,they're using your face...ugly pictures,they send allyour frirnds and family.. you have nowhere to go.....they listen your phone for years it's very normal! and this street accident is very normal?

    Martin John Callanan <m@greyisgood.eu> wrote:

    TV is TV. It doesn't matter where the physical location of the set may or
    may not be.

    Everything that could be discussed about TV has been. There is no point at
    all in discussing what already has been. Read what has already been written.
    There is plenty of it.

    There are now other [new] things to discuss.

    On 25/9/07 15:04, "utku omeroglu" wrote:

    > No, there is m.....i recognized that your TV is there, in Kadykoy,istanbul.
    > they eat you in a cafe
    >
    > Martin John Callanan wrote:
    >>
    >> It's irreverent to include "TV" [in it's own right] within any discourse of
    >> the present. TV used basic electronics controlling an analogue display (more
    >> than 100 years ago). This was superseded by digital then digital using HD.
    >> The signals and the decoding equipment it requires are; a computer. The
    >> display resolution even matches a computer screen. It is a computer. They
    >> converged a while ago. It's irreverent to separate TV from a computer; it's
    >> simply one of the many tasks people rely on computers to perform.
    >>
    >> Personally, I have never even owned a TV.
    >>
    >> m
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 24/9/07 23:43, "Pall Thayer" wrote:
    >>
    >>> The TV does not produce moving images and sounds. People produce
    >>> moving images and sounds and relay them through TVs, directly into
    >>> people's homes. That's what makes what you say in the next sentence
    >>> important. A machine that produces moving images and sounds can't be
    >>> malevolent. That requires a human.
    >>>
    >>> Pall
    >>>
    >>> On 9/24/07, Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    >>>> A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces (moving) images
    >>>> and sounds through media space.
    >>>> In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate ideas, thoughts
    >>>> and opinions which are not ours.
    >>>> In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our feelings ,
    >>>> thoughts and opinions to share with each other.
    >>>>
    >>>> A, Andreas
    >>>>
    >>>> Publisher Nictoglobe
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:
    >>>> What is a tv?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Private and public must have clash i think.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would
    >>>> try to. we would try to become famous
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    >>>>
    >>>> Materiality / Immateriality
    >>>> Money Economy Gift Economy
    >>>> Science / Religion
    >>>> Aesthetics Politics
    >>>> Private / Public
    >>>> Individual Collective
    >>>> Elite / Masses
    >>>> Socialism Fascism
    >>>> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    >>>> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    >>>> Urban / Rural
    >>>> Outsiders Insiders
    >>>> Literated / Illiterated
    >>>> Artist Audience
    >>>> Consumer / Producer
    >>>> Ignorance Awareness
    >>>>
    >>>> Determination of your position, and more,
    >>>>
    >>>> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    >>>> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    >>>> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    >>>> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    >>>> Media as Soft Arms'
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> In case you missed it, see archived show:
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    >>>>
    >>>> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    >>>> submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance - new media as
    >>>> soft arms' as an starting point to develop a more profound and
    >>>> public, artistic led discussion about this subject."
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Best
    >>>>
    >>>> A. Andreas - Publisher Nictoglobe
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> +
    >>>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
    >>>> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    >>>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
    >>>> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
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    >>>> +
    >>>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
    >>>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Martin John Callanan
    >>>> http://greyisgood.eu
    >>>>
    >>>> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
    >>>> http://location.greyisgood.eu
    >>>>
    >>>> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    >>>> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Martin John Callanan
    >> http://greyisgood.eu
    >>
    >> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
    >> http://location.greyisgood.eu
    >>
    >> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    >> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
    >>
    >>
    >> +
    >> -> post: list@rhizome.org
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  • Martin John Callanan | Tue Sep 25th 2007 11:41 a.m.
    Accidents have happened since human's could reason.

    On 25/9/07 15:38, "utku omeroglu" <utku_omeroglu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > it's very normal.. you walk on the street.. you are a researcher.. a stone of
    > building falls on you...it should be accident! definiteley
    >
    > you are shooting a documentary in a park in between blues and greens(not
    > only (nearby sea and trees ) but also many big textures in these colours
    > exist there becaose of different reasons...then they make an ugly chromakey
    > ugly film of you..,they're using your face...ugly pictures,they send allyour
    > frirnds and family.. you have nowhere to go.....they listen your phone for
    > years it's very normal! and this street accident is very normal?
    >
    > Martin John Callanan <m@greyisgood.eu> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> TV is TV. It doesn't matter where the physical location of the set may or
    >> may not be.
    >>
    >> Everything that could be discussed about TV has been. There is no point at
    >> all in discussing what already has been. Read what has already been written.
    >> There is plenty of it.
    >>
    >> There are now other [new] things to discuss.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 25/9/07 15:04, "utku omeroglu" wrote:
    >>
    >>> No, there is m.....i recognized that your TV is there, in Kadykoy,istanbul.
    >>> they eat you in a cafe
    >>>
    >>> Martin John Callanan wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> It's irreverent to include "TV" [in it's own right] within any discourse of
    >>>> the present. TV used basic electronics controlling an analogue display
    >>>> (more
    >>>> than 100 years ago). This was superseded by digital then digital using HD.
    >>>> The signals and the decoding equipment it requires are; a computer. The
    >>>> display resolution even matches a computer screen. It is a computer. They
    >>>> converged a while ago. It's irreverent to separate TV from a computer; it's
    >>>> simply one of the many tasks people rely on computers to perform.
    >>>>
    >>>> Personally, I have never even owned a TV.
    >>>>
    >>>> m
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 24/9/07 23:43, "Pall Thayer" wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> The TV does not produce moving images and sounds. People produce
    >>>>> moving images and sounds and relay them through TVs, directly into
    >>>>> people's homes. That's what makes what you say in the next sentence
    >>>>> important. A machine that produces moving images and sounds can't be
    >>>>> malevolent. That requires a human.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Pall
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 9/24/07, Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    >>>>>> A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces (moving)
    >>>>>> images
    >>>>>> and sounds through media space.
    >>>>>> In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate ideas,
    >>>>>> thoughts
    >>>>>> and opinions which are not ours.
    >>>>>> In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our feelings ,
    >>>>>> thoughts and opinions to share with each other.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> A, Andreas
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Publisher Nictoglobe
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:
    >>>>>> What is a tv?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Private and public must have clash i think.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we would
    >>>>>> try to. we would try to become famous
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on
    >>>>>> tv's
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Materiality / Immateriality
    >>>>>> Money Economy Gift Economy
    >>>>>> Science / Religion
    >>>>>> Aesthetics Politics
    >>>>>> Private / Public
    >>>>>> Individual Collective
    >>>>>> Elite / Masses
    >>>>>> Socialism Fascism
    >>>>>> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    >>>>>> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    >>>>>> Urban / Rural
    >>>>>> Outsiders Insiders
    >>>>>> Literated / Illiterated
    >>>>>> Artist Audience
    >>>>>> Consumer / Producer
    >>>>>> Ignorance Awareness
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Determination of your position, and more,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    >>>>>> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    >>>>>> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    >>>>>> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    >>>>>> Media as Soft Arms'
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> In case you missed it, see archived show:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    >>>>>> submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance - new media as
    >>>>>> soft arms' as an starting point to develop a more profound and
    >>>>>> public, artistic led discussion about this subject."
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Best
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> A. Andreas - Publisher Nictoglobe
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> +
    >>>>>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
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    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Martin John Callanan
    >>>>>> http://greyisgood.eu
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
    >>>>>> http://location.greyisgood.eu
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    >>>>>> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Martin John Callanan
    >>>> http://greyisgood.eu
    >>>>
    >>>> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
    >>>> http://location.greyisgood.eu
    >>>>
    >>>> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    >>>> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
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    >>>>
    >>>> +
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    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Martin John Callanan
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    >>
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    >> http://location.greyisgood.eu
    >>
    >> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    >> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
    >>
    >
    >
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    http://location.greyisgood.eu

    Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
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  • Rob Myers | Tue Sep 25th 2007 12:20 p.m.
    It's also a slang term for a transvestite. As is an old informal term
    for a transistor radio.

    There's something sublimated in all this about the play of cultural
    signifiers of identity.

    - Rob.

    Quoting utku omeroglu <utku\_omeroglu@yahoo.com>:

    > It's true
    >
    > Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote: A tv is a human invented
    > technical device , which produces (moving) images and sounds through
    > media space. In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to
    > propagate ideas, thoughts and opinions which are not ours.
    > In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our
    > feelings , thoughts and opinions to share with each other.
    >
    >
    > A, Andreas
    >
    >
    > Publisher Nictoglobe
    >
    >
    > http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >
    > On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:
    >
    > What is a tv?
    >
    >
    >
    > On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" <utku\_omeroglu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    > Private and public must have clash i think.
    >
    >
    >
    > Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we
    > would try to. we would try to become famous
    >
    >
    >
    > Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on tv's
    >
    >
    >
    > Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    >
    > Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    >
    > Materiality / Immateriality
    > Money Economy Gift Economy
    > Science / Religion
    > Aesthetics Politics
    > Private / Public
    > Individual Collective
    > Elite / Masses
    > Socialism Fascism
    > Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    > The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    > Urban / Rural
    > Outsiders Insiders
    > Literated / Illiterated
    > Artist Audience
    > Consumer / Producer
    > Ignorance Awareness
    >
    > Determination of your position, and more,
    >
    > 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    > Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    > accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    > Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    > Media as Soft Arms'
    >
    >
    > In case you missed it, see archived show:
    >
    > http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
    >
    >
    > Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    >
    > "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    > submission which reflects upon
  • Agam Andreas | Tue Sep 25th 2007 3:24 p.m.
    It is not about tv but about what represents tv .

    It is not about us and them but about me and you.

    So, it is not the thing, but the verbalization of the thing. Or the
    actions with and from the thing.
    When we finally arrive in an objectificated reality, all what is left
    are actions to impose on things.

    That is to say: tv is not subjectificating us anymore but instead we
    are objectificating tv.
    The latter is a most wanted situation.

    This whole shift of meaning in mediascape, was prepared by the
    pioneering works , of for instance , Nam June Paik , John Cage cum suis.

    Cheers

    A. Andreas

    Art Ist, Publisher

    http://www.nictoglobe.com

    On Sep 25, 2007, at 4:38 PM, utku omeroglu wrote:

    > it's very normal.. you walk on the street.. you are a researcher.. =

    > a stone of building falls on you...it should be accident! definiteley
    > you are shooting a documentary in a park in between blues and
    > greens(not only (nearby sea and trees ) but also many big textures
    > in these colours exist there becaose of different reasons...then
    > they make an ugly chromakey ugly film of you..,they're using your
    > face...ugly pictures,they send allyour frirnds and family.. you
    > have nowhere to go.....they listen your phone for years it's very
    > normal! and this street accident is very normal?
    >
    > Martin John Callanan <m@greyisgood.eu> wrote:
    >
    > TV is TV. It doesn't matter where the physical location of the set
    > may or
    > may not be.
    >
    > Everything that could be discussed about TV has been. There is no
    > point at
    > all in discussing what already has been. Read what has already been
    > written.
    > There is plenty of it.
    >
    > There are now other [new] things to discuss.
    >
    >
    >
    > On 25/9/07 15:04, "utku omeroglu" wrote:
    >
    > > No, there is m.....i recognized that your TV is there, in
    > Kadykoy,istanbul.
    > > they eat you in a cafe
    > >
    > > Martin John Callanan wrote:
    > >>
    > >> It's irreverent to include "TV" [in it's own right] within any
    > discourse of
    > >> the present. TV used basic electronics controlling an analogue
    > display (more
    > >> than 100 years ago). This was superseded by digital then digital
    > using HD.
    > >> The signals and the decoding equipment it requires are; a
    > computer. The
    > >> display resolution even matches a computer screen. It is a
    > computer. They
    > >> converged a while ago. It's irreverent to separate TV from a
    > computer; it's
    > >> simply one of the many tasks people rely on computers to perform.
    > >>
    > >> Personally, I have never even owned a TV.
    > >>
    > >> m
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> On 24/9/07 23:43, "Pall Thayer" wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> The TV does not produce moving images and sounds. People produce
    > >>> moving images and sounds and relay them through TVs, directly into
    > >>> people's homes. That's what makes what you say in the next
    > sentence
    > >>> important. A machine that produces moving images and sounds
    > can't be
    > >>> malevolent. That requires a human.
    > >>>
    > >>> Pall
    > >>>
    > >>> On 9/24/07, Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    > >>>> A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces
    > (moving) images
    > >>>> and sounds through media space.
    > >>>> In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate
    > ideas, thoughts
    > >>>> and opinions which are not ours.
    > >>>> In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our
    > feelings ,
    > >>>> thoughts and opinions to share with each other.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> A, Andreas
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Publisher Nictoglobe
    > >>>>
    > >>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:
    > >>>> What is a tv?
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Private and public must have clash i think.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be
    > there we would
    > >>>> try to. we would try to become famous
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become
    > visible on tv's
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Materiality / Immateriality
    > >>>> Money Economy Gift Economy
    > >>>> Science / Religion
    > >>>> Aesthetics Politics
    > >>>> Private / Public
    > >>>> Individual Collective
    > >>>> Elite / Masses
    > >>>> Socialism Fascism
    > >>>> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    > >>>> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    > >>>> Urban / Rural
    > >>>> Outsiders Insiders
    > >>>> Literated / Illiterated
    > >>>> Artist Audience
    > >>>> Consumer / Producer
    > >>>> Ignorance Awareness
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Determination of your position, and more,
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    > >>>> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    > >>>> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided
    > by de
    > >>>> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    > >>>> Media as Soft Arms'
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> In case you missed it, see archived show:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showid=4355
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    > >>>> submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance - new
    > media as
    > >>>> soft arms' as an starting point to develop a more profound and
    > >>>> public, artistic led discussion about this subject."
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Best
    > >>>>
    > >>>> A. Andreas - Publisher Nictoglobe
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> +
    > >>>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
    > >>>> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    > >>>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
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    > >>>> +
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    > info/29.php
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    > >>>> Send instant messages to your online friends http://
    > uk.messenger.yahoo.com
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Martin John Callanan
    > >>>> http://greyisgood.eu
    > >>>>
    > >>>> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
    > >>>> http://location.greyisgood.eu
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    > >>>> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Martin John Callanan
    > >> http://greyisgood.eu
    > >>
    > >> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
    > >> http://location.greyisgood.eu
    > >>
    > >> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    > >> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> +
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    >
    >
    > Martin John Callanan
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  • Vijay Pattisapu | Tue Sep 25th 2007 4:43 p.m.
    > That is to say: tv is not subjectificating us anymore but instead we are
    > objectificating tv.

    Well put, Andreas.

    Before: characters one identifies with, generic enough to invite
    vicarious (--> subjective) experience a la Scott McCloud's "masking
    effect."

    Now: Reality TV --> the viewer laughs at ridiculous people. One laughs
    at how distorted they are -- the first and most primitive kind of
    laughter, Aristotelian laughter -- the laughter that distances -->
    objectifies.

    Vijay

    On 25/09/2007, Andreas Jacobs <ajaco@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    > It is not about tv but about what represents tv .
    >
    > It is not about us and them but about me and you.
    >
    >
    > So, it is not the thing, but the verbalization of the thing. Or the actions
    > with and from the thing.
    > When we finally arrive in an objectificated reality, all what is left are
    > actions to impose on things.
    >
    > That is to say: tv is not subjectificating us anymore but instead we are
    > objectificating tv.
    > The latter is a most wanted situation.
    >
    > This whole shift of meaning in mediascape, was prepared by the pioneering
    > works , of for instance , Nam June Paik , John Cage cum suis.
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > A. Andreas
    >
    > Art Ist, Publisher
    >
    > http://www.nictoglobe.com
    >
    >
    > On Sep 25, 2007, at 4:38 PM, utku omeroglu wrote:
    >
    > it's very normal.. you walk on the street.. you are a researcher.. a stone
    > of building falls on you...it should be accident! definiteley
    > you are shooting a documentary in a park in between blues and greens(not
    > only (nearby sea and trees ) but also many big textures in these colours
    > exist there becaose of different reasons...then they make an ugly
    > chromakey ugly film of you..,they're using your face...ugly pictures,they
    > send allyour frirnds and family.. you have nowhere to go.....they listen
    > your phone for years it's very normal! and this street accident is very
    > normal?
    >
    > Martin John Callanan <m@greyisgood.eu> wrote:
    >
    > TV is TV. It doesn't matter where the physical location of the set may or
    > may not be.
    >
    > Everything that could be discussed about TV has been. There is no point at
    > all in discussing what already has been. Read what has already been written.
    > There is plenty of it.
    >
    > There are now other [new] things to discuss.
    >
    >
    >
    > On 25/9/07 15:04, "utku omeroglu" wrote:
    >
    > > No, there is m.....i recognized that your TV is there, in
    > Kadykoy,istanbul.
    > > they eat you in a cafe
    > >
    > > Martin John Callanan wrote:
    > >>
    > >> It's irreverent to include "TV" [in it's own right] within any discourse
    > of
    > >> the present. TV used basic electronics controlling an analogue display
    > (more
    > >> than 100 years ago). This was superseded by digital then digital using
    > HD.
    > >> The signals and the decoding equipment it requires are; a computer. The
    > >> display resolution even matches a computer screen. It is a computer. They
    > >> converged a while ago. It's irreverent to separate TV from a computer;
    > it's
    > >> simply one of the many tasks people rely on computers to perform.
    > >>
    > >> Personally, I have never even owned a TV.
    > >>
    > >> m
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> On 24/9/07 23:43, "Pall Thayer" wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> The TV does not produce moving images and sounds. People produce
    > >>> moving images and sounds and relay them through TVs, directly into
    > >>> people's homes. That's what makes what you say in the next sentence
    > >>> important. A machine that produces moving images and sounds can't be
    > >>> malevolent. That requires a human.
    > >>>
    > >>> Pall
    > >>>
    > >>> On 9/24/07, Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    > >>>> A tv is a human invented technical device , which produces (moving)
    > images
    > >>>> and sounds through media space.
    > >>>> In the hands of the malevolent it is a means to propagate ideas,
    > thoughts
    > >>>> and opinions which are not ours.
    > >>>> In the hands of the benevolent it is a means to express our feelings ,
    > >>>> thoughts and opinions to share with each other.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> A, Andreas
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Publisher Nictoglobe
    > >>>>
    > >>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Martin John Callanan wrote:
    > >>>> What is a tv?
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> On 23/9/07 16:32, "utku omeroglu" wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Private and public must have clash i think.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Do you think we are living in a big tv?If we wanted to be there we
    > would
    > >>>> try to. we would try to become famous
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Actors,musicians,famous people etc i think normally become visible on
    > tv's
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Andreas Jacobs wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Clash of Discourses: Living in a Hysterical World
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Materiality / Immateriality
    > >>>> Money Economy Gift Economy
    > >>>> Science / Religion
    > >>>> Aesthetics Politics
    > >>>> Private / Public
    > >>>> Individual Collective
    > >>>> Elite / Masses
    > >>>> Socialism Fascism
    > >>>> Institutionalized Culture / Underground
    > >>>> The Wise Guys The Men from the Streets
    > >>>> Urban / Rural
    > >>>> Outsiders Insiders
    > >>>> Literated / Illiterated
    > >>>> Artist Audience
    > >>>> Consumer / Producer
    > >>>> Ignorance Awareness
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Determination of your position, and more,
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 14 September, 20:30 CEST @ De Balie - Centre for Culture and
    > >>>> Politics, Amsterdam, Nictoglobe organized, using free publicly
    > >>>> accessible open source software tools, developed and provided by de
    > >>>> Balie, a DIY CoolMediaHotTalkShow about 'Creative Resistance, New
    > >>>> Media as Soft Arms'
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> In case you missed it, see archived show:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > http://www.coolmediahottalk.net/archive.jsp?showidC55
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Below our call as sent on May 15th 2007:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> "Nictoglobe invites you to send a short (max 500 words)
    > >>>> submission which reflects upon 'creative resistance - new media as
    > >>>> soft arms' as an starting point to develop a more profound and
    > >>>> public, artistic led discussion about this subject."
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Best
    > >>>>
    > >>>> A. Andreas - Publisher Nictoglobe
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> http://www.nictoglobe.com
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> +
    > >>>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
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    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Martin John Callanan
    > >>>> http://greyisgood.eu
    > >>>>
    > >>>> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
    > >>>> http://location.greyisgood.eu
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    > >>>> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Martin John Callanan
    > >> http://greyisgood.eu
    > >>
    > >> http://okay.greyisgood.eu
    > >> http://location.greyisgood.eu
    > >>
    > >> Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    > >> http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> +
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    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Martin John Callanan
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    >
    > http://okay.greyisgood.eu
    > http://location.greyisgood.eu
    >
    > Location of I will be part of this year's Velocity Festival
    > http://velocity.greyisgood.eu
    >
    >
    >
    >
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