Behavior, Aura

Posted by joseph mcelroy | Wed Jun 12th 2002 1 a.m.

If Joseph Beuys successfully displaced the "aura" from artwork to artist, does
this mean the behavior and characteristics of the artist are more important
than the thoughts or production?

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  • portholeaccel | Wed Jun 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    no the behavior and characteristics of the performance are just as important as the thoughts or production. it is the deprograming of meaning that is important here. again referencing the
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    "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]" <joseph@electrichands.com> wrote: If Joseph Beuys successfully displaced the "aura" from artwork to artist, does
    this mean the behavior and characteristics of the artist are more important
    than the thoughts or production?

    --
    Joseph Franklyn McElroy
    Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
  • marc garrett | Wed Jun 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    No, not at all Joseph. It's just that many go through the process of
    thinking yet it is not really thinking it is just neurotic deconstruction
    which can slow the action of creative fluidity down.

    marc

    > If Joseph Beuys successfully displaced the "aura" from artwork to artist,
    does
    > this mean the behavior and characteristics of the artist are more
    important
    > than the thoughts or production?
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  • joseph mcelroy | Wed Jun 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    Quoting furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org>:

    > No, not at all Joseph. It's just that many go through the process of
    > thinking yet it is not really thinking it is just neurotic deconstruction
    > which can slow the action of creative fluidity down.
    >

    But isn't this the process as related to an individual artist, ie what I, as an
    artist, not in the abstract, must do or not do to open up my personal creative
    flow. But the sense of meaning outside of myself, seperate from any
    individual, the questions

    Why and what is "aura" of art/artist? Is "aura" necessary? Cannot meaning be
    found without it? Could not a consumer - find this aura inside themselves?
    Thus art or artist becomes a triggering mechanism for discovery? In the anon
    nature of net.art, where is the "aura" - back with the art? Or the medium? Or
    the initimate relationship between human/machine/human?

    --
    Joseph Franklyn McElroy
    Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
  • Max Herman | Wed Jun 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    In a message dated 6/12/2002 4:46:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
    info@furtherfield.org writes:

    > > If Joseph Beuys successfully displaced the "aura" from artwork to artist,
    > does
    > > this mean the behavior and characteristics of the artist are more
    > important
    > > than the thoughts or production?

    Well, for debate purposes let's say I agree 100%. (If Beuys did, which he
    didn't really, but he said it was good or that he wanted to or that that was
    what he was hoping and working for, which was mainly a lie.)

    Think of it this way: what is more important, the way things are produced or
    the products? I think it's the way.

    I think also that if you take Beuys, Warhol, Maciunas, and G2K you find that
    cognitively the producers and consumers are the categories that blur, like in
    Jevbratt's data-mingling.

    Like in client-server, host-user, interface-database, etc.

    Plus everyone go to artforumtalkback it's the best.

    Max

    artforum.com/talkback

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  • Max Herman | Wed Jun 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    In a message dated 6/12/2002 10:48:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
    joseph@electrichands.com writes:

    > many go through the process of
    > > thinking yet it is not really thinking it is just neurotic deconstruction
    > > which can slow the action of creative fluidity down.

    I'm down with that, possibly true.

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  • joseph mcelroy | Wed Jun 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    > Think of it this way: what is more important, the way things are produced or
    > the products? I think it's the way.

    Could we only have the "way" and not the products?

    --
    Joseph Franklyn McElroy
    Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
  • Max Herman | Wed Jun 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    In a message dated 6/12/2002 5:56:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
    joseph@electrichands.com writes:

    > Could we only have the "way" and not the products?

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  • Max Herman | Wed Jun 12th 2002 1 a.m.
    In a message dated 6/12/2002 5:56:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
    joseph@electrichands.com writes:

    > Could we only have the "way" and not the products?

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  • portholeaccel | Sat Jun 15th 2002 1 a.m.
    proto materalism for everyone michael ORE james TURREL bla bla bala
    "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]" <joseph@electrichands.com> wrote: > Think of it this way: what is more important, the way things are produced or
    > the products? I think it's the way.

    Could we only have the "way" and not the products?

    --
    Joseph Franklyn McElroy
    Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
  • Christopher Fahey | Tue Jun 18th 2002 1 a.m.
    Keep talking about Behavior, folks, keep talking.

    -Cf

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