Les Levine, new media meltdown, Paik etc.

Posted by Eric Dymond | Sat Jan 13th 2007 10:45 p.m.

just googled him, he was from Dublin.
And it goes back to my post re: new media meltdown.
Levine took chances, gambled with his career and life, came out unscathed
but not as famous as did other artists with far less innovation and
quality.
He will always be the first New Media Artist in my mind, I think the
others like Paik are great, but they didn't push the interactive envelope
as far.
and I wish, someone, anyone , could produce a web based work that was
equal to Levine's work. Iris encapsulates everything we talk about today,
and all in one piece.
Such an important work and such a seminal figure.
Everyone at the time learned from him, including Warhol (see his
commentary in the old Interview, no I don't remember the issue, jstor it).
Maybe there is hope for New Media, but I haven't seen his equal yet.
Eric
  • cont3xt.net | Sun Jan 14th 2007 12:49 a.m.
    googled him, too. what i found was an interview with him where he says:

    [...] People used to say to me, "Oh, that just looks like TV." I used to say
    to them, "Well, that's just great. Because people understand TV." [...]

    could it be possible we're thinking of tv, too, when it comes to web based
    works?

    cheers,
    carlos

    On 14/01/07, dymond@idirect.ca <dymond@idirect.ca> wrote:
    >
    > just googled him, he was from Dublin.
    > And it goes back to my post re: new media meltdown.
    > Levine took chances, gambled with his career and life, came out unscathed
    > but not as famous as did other artists with far less innovation and
    > quality.
    > He will always be the first New Media Artist in my mind, I think the
    > others like Paik are great, but they didn't push the interactive envelope
    > as far.
    > and I wish, someone, anyone , could produce a web based work that was
    > equal to Levine's work. Iris encapsulates everything we talk about today,
    > and all in one piece.
    > Such an important work and such a seminal figure.
    > Everyone at the time learned from him, including Warhol (see his
    > commentary in the old Interview, no I don't remember the issue, jstor it).
    > Maybe there is hope for New Media, but I haven't seen his equal yet.
    > Eric
    >
    >
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  • Mark Edward Grimm | Mon Jan 15th 2007 9:16 a.m.
    hey carlos/all

    may or may not be related to discussion.

    yeah right after 911 i did this work in reaction to
    television footage (and using television footage)
    where the vid takes up the full screen of the browser
    window as a television does...

    http://megrimm.net/content/netart/nineoneone/

    ..i used to have it here but the address was on
    'loan' so some reason its not working anymore..

    http://nine-one-one.org/

    this one is quicktime. flash vid works better as
    full-screen vid...

    m

    --- cont3xt <cont3xt@cont3xt.net> wrote:

    > googled him, too. what i found was an interview with
    > him where he says:
    >
    > [...] People used to say to me, "Oh, that just looks
    > like TV." I used to say
    > to them, "Well, that's just great. Because people
    > understand TV." [...]
    >
    > could it be possible we're thinking of tv, too, when
    > it comes to web based
    > works?
    >
    > cheers,
    > carlos
    >
    > On 14/01/07, dymond@idirect.ca <dymond@idirect.ca>
    > wrote:
    > >
    > > just googled him, he was from Dublin.
    > > And it goes back to my post re: new media
    > meltdown.
    > > Levine took chances, gambled with his career and
    > life, came out unscathed
    > > but not as famous as did other artists with far
    > less innovation and
    > > quality.
    > > He will always be the first New Media Artist in my
    > mind, I think the
    > > others like Paik are great, but they didn't push
    > the interactive envelope
    > > as far.
    > > and I wish, someone, anyone , could produce a web
    > based work that was
    > > equal to Levine's work. Iris encapsulates
    > everything we talk about today,
    > > and all in one piece.
    > > Such an important work and such a seminal figure.
    > > Everyone at the time learned from him, including
    > Warhol (see his
    > > commentary in the old Interview, no I don't
    > remember the issue, jstor it).
    > > Maybe there is hope for New Media, but I haven't
    > seen his equal yet.
    > > Eric
    > >
    > >
    > > +
    > > -> post: list@rhizome.org
    > > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
    > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
    > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
    > > +
    > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms
    > set out in the
    > > Membership Agreement available online at
    > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
    > >
    >

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  • Vijay Pattisapu | Mon Jan 15th 2007 10:29 a.m.
    First we thought the PC was a calculator. Then we found out how to
    turn numbers into letters with ASCII
  • Lee Wells | Mon Jan 15th 2007 11:06 a.m.
    Don't forget the "Buy Now" function with next day air shipping.

    > From: Vijay Pattisapu <lexicontrol@gmail.com>
    > Reply-To: Vijay Pattisapu <lexicontrol@gmail.com>
    > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:33:45 -0600
    > To: cont3xt <cont3xt@cont3xt.net>
    > Cc: <dymond@idirect.ca>, <list@rhizome.org>
    > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Les Levine, new media meltdown, Paik etc.
    >
    > First we thought the PC was a calculator. Then we found out how to
    > turn numbers into letters with ASCII
  • Eric Dymond | Thu Jan 18th 2007 7:15 p.m.
    And more importantly ( at least from this chair in the known world) we should remember that carefully crafted agitation can lead to new insights and expression. Lies deciept all forms of agitation can build new media empires ;-)
    Agitation acts as a catalyst, building conviction and drive in the contrary.
    As a complete aside it's again great to see so many new works in the artbase . I'm sure Les Levine would be happy.
    Eric
  • Eric Dymond | Thu Jan 18th 2007 8:17 p.m.
    hey carlos/all

    may or may not be related to discussion.

    yeah right after 911 i did this work in reaction to
    television footage (and using television footage)
    where the vid takes up the full screen of the browser
    window as a television does...

    http://megrimm.net/content/netart/nineoneone/

    .i used to have it here but the address was on
    'loan' so some reason its not working anymore..

    http://nine-one-one.org/

    this one is quicktime. flash vid works better as
    full-screen vid...

    m

    well, it doesn't relate at all.
    But the slow-motion effect, is it trying to decontextualize the reality of the event.
    This does relate back to Joys painting?
    The photo Joy based her work on is disconnected but raw.
    I'm not sure if the author of the photo is for or against the revolution.
    In Joys work, the context and attitude/intent is very pronounced. It has direction.
    The exhibit and name of the body are very important.
    What is the social context of you're work? Is it just visceral? Or does it make a comment. And don't tell me me it's up to the observer.
    Eric
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