How the rest of the net views net art...

Posted by MTAA | Mon Oct 30th 2006 7:21 a.m.

JODI makes it to the front of Digg...

"The Weirdest website you'll ever see"
<http://digg.com/software/The_Weirdest_website_you_ll_ever_see>

One choice comment:

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Option 1 - You are impressed by this website and think it's l33t. You
are an idiot.
Option 2 - You think this is a huge waste of time, and there are much
more impressive things out there, but you laugh at all the 14 year
olds who think this is cool.

By the way, how is this a weird site? It's just some stupid kid who
tried to copy some ASCII art onto his webpage, and forgot to enclose
it with PRE tags. For god's sake, he's using the BLINK tag...THE BLINK
TAG!!!!! Yeah, real l33t man.

This is how the page looked when the kid made it using either MS
Frontpage or Microsoft Word Export-To-HTML:
http://bbhosts.net/files/lame.php
"But it looks right on my computer, that means it should work for everyone!"

Yes I read the Wikipedia article, and I firmly believe this page
should have been deleted years ago.
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  • patrick lichty | Mon Oct 30th 2006 8:55 a.m.
    Well, yeah.
    This is part of my point about how myopic our crew can be about our
    work.
    Two audiences: The l33ts and everyone else.
    (I exaggerate, but you get what I mean).

    Patrick Lichty
    - Interactive Arts & Media
    Columbia College, Chicago
    - Editor-In-Chief
    Intelligent Agent Magazine
    http://www.intelligentagent.com
    225 288 5813
    voyd@voyd.com

    "It is better to die on your feet
    than to live on your knees."

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    Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: How the rest of the net views net art...

    JODI makes it to the front of Digg...

    "The Weirdest website you'll ever see"
    <http://digg.com/software/The_Weirdest_website_you_ll_ever_see>

    One choice comment:

    +++
    Option 1 - You are impressed by this website and think it's l33t. You
    are an idiot.
    Option 2 - You think this is a huge waste of time, and there are much
    more impressive things out there, but you laugh at all the 14 year
    olds who think this is cool.

    By the way, how is this a weird site? It's just some stupid kid who
    tried to copy some ASCII art onto his webpage, and forgot to enclose
    it with PRE tags. For god's sake, he's using the BLINK tag...THE BLINK
    TAG!!!!! Yeah, real l33t man.

    This is how the page looked when the kid made it using either MS
    Frontpage or Microsoft Word Export-To-HTML:
    http://bbhosts.net/files/lame.php
    "But it looks right on my computer, that means it should work for
    everyone!"

    Yes I read the Wikipedia article, and I firmly believe this page
    should have been deleted years ago.
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  • Pall Thayer | Mon Oct 30th 2006 10 a.m.
    Well, when you try to judge a work of art as something other than a
    work of art, it becomes pretty silly. But of course, trying to judge
    a work of art as something other than a work of art is pretty silly
    and makes the person doing it look pretty silly.

    Here's my take on the guy who posted that comment:

    He's never been into a gallery or art museum in his life. Or if he
    has, his parents subsequently had his art teacher fired because their
    son saw a marble penis on the museum field trip. His favorite painter
    is the guy his parents got to paint the garage a couple of summers
    ago. His favorite sculptor is the guy who stacks the oranges at his
    local grocery (the guy's just amazing). He thinks pan-pipe versions
    of 80's hits are cool. When he hears someone talk about Jazz, he
    says, "Oh yeah, like Kenny G?" He's never been outside of his county.
    He thinks "culture" can only be found in yoghurt. He voted for Bush,
    twice.

    On 30.10.2006, at 09:21, T.Whid wrote:

    > JODI makes it to the front of Digg...
    >
    > "The Weirdest website you'll ever see"
    > <http://digg.com/software/The_Weirdest_website_you_ll_ever_see>
    >
    > One choice comment:
    >
    > +++
    > Option 1 - You are impressed by this website and think it's l33t. You
    > are an idiot.
    > Option 2 - You think this is a huge waste of time, and there are much
    > more impressive things out there, but you laugh at all the 14 year
    > olds who think this is cool.
    >
    > By the way, how is this a weird site? It's just some stupid kid who
    > tried to copy some ASCII art onto his webpage, and forgot to enclose
    > it with PRE tags. For god's sake, he's using the BLINK tag...THE BLINK
    > TAG!!!!! Yeah, real l33t man.
    >
    > This is how the page looked when the kid made it using either MS
    > Frontpage or Microsoft Word Export-To-HTML:
    > http://bbhosts.net/files/lame.php
    > "But it looks right on my computer, that means it should work for
    > everyone!"
    >
    > Yes I read the Wikipedia article, and I firmly believe this page
    > should have been deleted years ago.
    > +++
    >
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  • MTAA | Mon Oct 30th 2006 10:17 a.m.
    Hi Pall,

    Your take is very humorous. That commenter was extremely ignorant and
    not really a good example of most of the comments.

    Isn't being viewed outside an art context both the bane and privilege
    of net art? Is it helpful to read comments from folks coming at it
    with no context? Or is it simply blatherings of ignorants?

    Personally I don't usually find it instructive. Most of the time,
    people are looking for cultural objects that fit a pre-subscribed
    template. When something original (like Jodi) comes along which
    doesn't fit these pre-built templates, the rabble generally finds it
    confusing and are too intellectually lazy to try to adapt.

    Does that sound elitist? hahahahahahahahahaha

    On 10/30/06, Pall Thayer <p_thay@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote:
    > Well, when you try to judge a work of art as something other than a
    > work of art, it becomes pretty silly. But of course, trying to judge
    > a work of art as something other than a work of art is pretty silly
    > and makes the person doing it look pretty silly.
    >
    > Here's my take on the guy who posted that comment:
    >
    > He's never been into a gallery or art museum in his life. Or if he
    > has, his parents subsequently had his art teacher fired because their
    > son saw a marble penis on the museum field trip. His favorite painter
    > is the guy his parents got to paint the garage a couple of summers
    > ago. His favorite sculptor is the guy who stacks the oranges at his
    > local grocery (the guy's just amazing). He thinks pan-pipe versions
    > of 80's hits are cool. When he hears someone talk about Jazz, he
    > says, "Oh yeah, like Kenny G?" He's never been outside of his county.
    > He thinks "culture" can only be found in yoghurt. He voted for Bush,
    > twice.
    >
    > On 30.10.2006, at 09:21, T.Whid wrote:
    >
    > > JODI makes it to the front of Digg...
    > >
    > > "The Weirdest website you'll ever see"
    > > <http://digg.com/software/The_Weirdest_website_you_ll_ever_see>
    > >
    > > One choice comment:
    > >
    > > +++
    > > Option 1 - You are impressed by this website and think it's l33t. You
    > > are an idiot.
    > > Option 2 - You think this is a huge waste of time, and there are much
    > > more impressive things out there, but you laugh at all the 14 year
    > > olds who think this is cool.
    > >
    > > By the way, how is this a weird site? It's just some stupid kid who
    > > tried to copy some ASCII art onto his webpage, and forgot to enclose
    > > it with PRE tags. For god's sake, he's using the BLINK tag...THE BLINK
    > > TAG!!!!! Yeah, real l33t man.
    > >
    > > This is how the page looked when the kid made it using either MS
    > > Frontpage or Microsoft Word Export-To-HTML:
    > > http://bbhosts.net/files/lame.php
    > > "But it looks right on my computer, that means it should work for
    > > everyone!"
    > >
    > > Yes I read the Wikipedia article, and I firmly believe this page
    > > should have been deleted years ago.
    > > +++
    > >
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    >
    >
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    > http://www.this.is/pallit
    >
    >
    >
    >
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  • Eryk Salvaggio | Thu Nov 2nd 2006 9:33 p.m.
    We always knew art was for the 3733t5.

    -er.

    "T.Whid" <twhid@twhid.com> on Monday, October 30, 2006 at 1:17 PM -0500 wrote:
    >Hi Pall,
    >
    >Your take is very humorous. That commenter was extremely ignorant and
    >not really a good example of most of the comments.
    >
    >Isn't being viewed outside an art context both the bane and privilege
    >of net art? Is it helpful to read comments from folks coming at it
    >with no context? Or is it simply blatherings of ignorants?
    >
    >Personally I don't usually find it instructive. Most of the time,
    >people are looking for cultural objects that fit a pre-subscribed
    >template. When something original (like Jodi) comes along which
    >doesn't fit these pre-built templates, the rabble generally finds it
    >confusing and are too intellectually lazy to try to adapt.
    >
    >Does that sound elitist? hahahahahahahahahaha
    >
    >On 10/30/06, Pall Thayer <p_thay@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote:
    >> Well, when you try to judge a work of art as something other than a
    >> work of art, it becomes pretty silly. But of course, trying to judge
    >> a work of art as something other than a work of art is pretty silly
    >> and makes the person doing it look pretty silly.
    >>
    >> Here's my take on the guy who posted that comment:
    >>
    >> He's never been into a gallery or art museum in his life. Or if he
    >> has, his parents subsequently had his art teacher fired because their
    >> son saw a marble penis on the museum field trip. His favorite painter
    >> is the guy his parents got to paint the garage a couple of summers
    >> ago. His favorite sculptor is the guy who stacks the oranges at his
    >> local grocery (the guy's just amazing). He thinks pan-pipe versions
    >> of 80's hits are cool. When he hears someone talk about Jazz, he
    >> says, "Oh yeah, like Kenny G?" He's never been outside of his county.
    >> He thinks "culture" can only be found in yoghurt. He voted for Bush,
    >> twice.
    >>
    >> On 30.10.2006, at 09:21, T.Whid wrote:
    >>
    >> > JODI makes it to the front of Digg...
    >> >
    >> > "The Weirdest website you'll ever see"
    >> > <http://digg.com/software/The_Weirdest_website_you_ll_ever_see>
    >> >
    >> > One choice comment:
    >> >
    >> > +++
    >> > Option 1 - You are impressed by this website and think it's l33t. You
    >> > are an idiot.
    >> > Option 2 - You think this is a huge waste of time, and there are much
    >> > more impressive things out there, but you laugh at all the 14 year
    >> > olds who think this is cool.
    >> >
    >> > By the way, how is this a weird site? It's just some stupid kid who
    >> > tried to copy some ASCII art onto his webpage, and forgot to enclose
    >> > it with PRE tags. For god's sake, he's using the BLINK tag...THE BLINK
    >> > TAG!!!!! Yeah, real l33t man.
    >> >
    >> > This is how the page looked when the kid made it using either MS
    >> > Frontpage or Microsoft Word Export-To-HTML:
    >> > http://bbhosts.net/files/lame.php
    >> > "But it looks right on my computer, that means it should work for
    >> > everyone!"
    >> >
    >> > Yes I read the Wikipedia article, and I firmly believe this page
    >> > should have been deleted years ago.
    >> > +++
    >> >
    >> > --
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    >> > +
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    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Pall Thayer
    >> p_thay@alcor.concordia.ca
    >> http://www.this.is/pallit
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
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