They Rule II

Posted by Muserna Muserna | Wed May 29th 2002 1 a.m.

I saw the "they rule" http://www.theyrule.net a while ago and I was
wondering why they didn't come out with a "They Rule" : Net.art scene
version. Because sometimes it appears that the same "ruling" systems for big
business are at play in the the Art world.

-muserna
"Sometimes dead is better." - Pet Sematary
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  • MTAA | Wed May 29th 2002 1 a.m.
    >I saw the "they rule" http://www.theyrule.net a while ago and I was
    >wondering why they didn't come out with a "They Rule" : Net.art scene
    >version. Because sometimes it appears that the same "ruling" systems for big
    >business are at play in the the Art world.
    >
    >
    >-muserna

    what sort of conspiracies are you imagining?

    just curious :-)

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  • Conor McGarrigle | Wed May 29th 2002 1 a.m.
    Well if 'The Usual Suspects' taught us anything whoever does rule is the
    last person you'd suspect, someone no one takes too seriously maybe even
    consider a fool. someone ubiquitous.

    So in the net art scene who could that be? hmmm

    Conor

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    > >I saw the "they rule" http://www.theyrule.net a while ago and I was
    > >wondering why they didn't come out with a "They Rule" : Net.art scene
    > >version. Because sometimes it appears that the same "ruling" systems for
    big
    > >business are at play in the the Art world.
    > >
    > >
    > >-muserna
    >
    > what sort of conspiracies are you imagining?
    >
    > just curious :-)
    >
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  • Max Herman | Wed May 29th 2002 1 a.m.
    In a message dated 5/29/2002 2:42:38 PM Central Daylight Time,
    conor@stunned.org writes:

    > the
    > last person you'd suspect, someone no one takes too seriously maybe even
    > consider a fool. someone ubiquitous.

    Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse,
    At times, indeed, almost ridiculous--
    Almost, at times, the Fool.
    Some people they are scared to joke
    But Jimmy drank until he choked....

    Max Herman

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  • Christopher Fahey | Wed May 29th 2002 1 a.m.
    > > Because sometimes it appears that the same "ruling"
    > > systems for big business are at play in the the Art world.
    > >
    > >-muserna
    >
    > what sort of conspiracies are you imagining?
    >
    > just curious :-)

    Yeah, me too. I'm sure if you suggested this to Josh On he could quite
    easily build it. It's just a database.

    Then everyone would be able to finally see who went to the same art
    school as who else. It would be like a Hans Haacke piece, except it
    would be petty and trivial.

    -Cf

    [christopher eli fahey]
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    biz: http://www.behaviordesign.com
  • MTAA | Thu May 30th 2002 1 a.m.
    >
    >Yeah, me too. I'm sure if you suggested this to Josh On he could quite
    >easily build it. It's just a database.
    >
    >Then everyone would be able to finally see who went to the same art
    >school as who else. It would be like a Hans Haacke piece, except it
    >would be petty and trivial.
    >
    >-Cf

    the info isn't public so the first step would be to gather the info.

    what orgs should be profiled (rhizome, thing, sfmoma, whitney)? will
    it be the boards of the orgs? or directors? or should it be
    individuals?

    bah, to much work.
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  • Michael Mandiberg | Thu May 30th 2002 1 a.m.
    there are several parallel sets of networks besides the corporate
    board... (and these again go back to haacke). each of which is
    separate, but thoroughly interlinked. there is the university
    presidents/trustees, the museum, large foundations, and of course the
    gov't. i love theyrule, but the most dissapointing thing was not
    being able to see where the people moved in and out of the gov't. i
    remembered a certain number of people, whom i knew had been part of
    previous administrations, but it would be nice to be able to see that
    connection. wasn't condoleeza rice a board member of chevron, before
    she resigned to be national security advisor? i guees, though, that
    brings in an element of passing time as well.

    m

    >>Yeah, me too. I'm sure if you suggested this to Josh On he could quite
    >>easily build it. It's just a database.
    >>
    >>Then everyone would be able to finally see who went to the same art
    >>school as who else. It would be like a Hans Haacke piece, except it
    >>would be petty and trivial.
    >>
    >>-Cf
    >
    >the info isn't public so the first step would be to gather the info.
    >
    >what orgs should be profiled (rhizome, thing, sfmoma, whitney)? will
    >it be the boards of the orgs? or directors? or should it be
    >individuals?
    >
    >bah, to much work.
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  • Muserna Muserna | Fri May 31st 2002 1 a.m.
    askROM@graphpaper.com ecrit:

    > Yeah, me too. I'm sure if you suggested this to Josh On he could quite
    easily build it. It's just a database.
    >
    > Then everyone would be able to finally see who went to the same art
    school as who else. It would be like a Hans Haacke piece, except it would
    be petty and trivial.
    >
    > -Cf

    Yes, but people love the trivial. Maybe it would be more interesting if
    the The Rule II was about the whole art scene, since I'm not so sure how
    big the net.art scene. It was just a thought. I dont really follow much
    re: who does what for who and why these days. But the links betweent they
    Rule I and they Rule II should not be dismissed, as the large
    corporations are the ones purchasing and donating to the arts.

    -muserna
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  • joseph mcelroy | Sat Jun 1st 2002 1 a.m.
    When I first saw They Rule at the Whitney, it didn't work so I didn't like it
    much. But when I saw it at eyebeam I thought it was pretty good. As a next
    version, I would really love for him to go map out the money people, the CFOs,
    the VCs, the Controllers, etc. These people actually have the power (except
    for the few CEOs who created their own companies) You rarely see a CFO get
    fired for bad corporate performance. I think he could map out some of that
    info from the SEC Edgar database.

    --
    Joseph Franklyn McElroy
    Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
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