martin kippenberger has left the building

Posted by beate zurwehme | Fri Apr 7th 2006 6:45 a.m.

martin kippenberger has left the building

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ich kann beim besten willen kein hakenkreuz darin erkennen
beate zurwehme & bela emerson
2006
art picture, digital video
courtesy mmk frankfurt

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  • beate zurwehme | Fri Apr 7th 2006 12:02 p.m.
    hello all,

    my intentions are on one side, to refer just to martin himself, and one
    of his most famous paintigs is "ich kann beim besten willen kein
    hakenkreut darauf erkennen", now owned by collector mick flick. i did
    not realized that this work would be totally unknown. on the other
    side, i want to recall this "nazi"-thing. most people, in the art world
    too, want to forget, or nothing to know., they are born later than ww2
    ended, and so on. i'm 1/8 jewish, and i hate nazis, i hate artists who
    like to make clean art and clean business inside a clean social
    enmvironment, because that will claim that the "nazi geist" is still
    around us.

    thank you.

    beate

    Am 07.04.2006 um 18:22 schrieb Regina Pinto:

    Dear Beate and all,

    I visited your work and liked, specially the sound. But...

    Martin kippenberger is a polemic artist.
    Also your text: "ich kann beim besten willen kein hakenkreuz darin" =
    +- "I can recognize with the best sake no swastika therein" has
    bestirred me.
    Also the fact that you sent this email to my other email which is not
    the email I use in rhizome. I do not know you from another list.
    We have never talked before.
    Are you trying to tell me anything? I would like to understand why you
    sent me this work privately.
    My ancestors were JEWISH if you are interested about this. Please,
    tell me the truth!
    It is so absurd that one can imagine this that I am a nazzy that I am
    completely astonished!
    My works are not polemic, can you tell me which is the work I did
    which is polemic?
    Have you seen any suastic in one of them? Please, tell me! Be sincere!
    Perhaps the polemic is in your eyes or in the eyes of the one that is
    spreading this, do you know him /her? Tell me please from whom you
    received this information.
    It seems to me that you are accusing me, if you are you doing this, are
    you based on what? Could you explain me? I do not think that it is
    ethical, do you?
    The last evenements in Rizome made me stressed just because I did not
    know of what I have been acused.
    I have been sick, with hight blood pressure. Also I am not posting
    because I do not like to cause problems, mainly if people do not do
    direct accusations.
    Please, be direct just like I am being, okay?
    Let's decide this forever, please!

    I know who I am and I do not deserve this at all

    If I am imagining things, my sincere apologies!

    All best,

    Regina

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "beate zurwehme" <beate@zurwehme.org>
    To: <serverfestival@listner.org>
    Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:34 AM
    Subject: martin kippenberger has left the building

    >
    > martin kippenberger has left the building
    >
    >
    >
    > ------------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > http://zurwehme.org/kippenberger/
    >
    > ich kann beim besten willen kein hakenkreuz darin erkennen
    > beate zurwehme & bela emerson
    > 2006
    > art picture, digital video
    > courtesy mmk frankfurt
    >
    > ------------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    >
    >
    > expert's view on http://subjektivation.de/ and the big picture:
    > http://subjektivation.de/the-big-picture/
    > featured updates http://subjektivation.de/atomkraftwerk.mov
    > http://subjektivation.de/htc_sm.mov h e t e a r s c o n s u m e
    >
    >
    > | interlinking of media
    > | practice with gender related issues
    > http://zurwehme.org/
    >
    >
  • ryan griffis | Fri Apr 7th 2006 12:40 p.m.
    Regina...
    are you OK?
    if this is a performance meant to cause concern about a person i've
    never met except through a list, it has worked.
    are you singling me out for a particular reason? why have i been chosen
    to receive your desperate thoughts?
    am i more guilty than others?
    do not play games with such fragile and serious things. please.
    you must know i care.
    the people running my country are proven criminals and murderers, but i
    cannot say i care more about that than this.
    even my dog has been neglected, since my thoughts have become so
    overwhelmed with this concern.
    i do not know how to be any more direct.

    On Apr 7, 2006, at 11:57 AM, beate zurwehme wrote:

    > Am 07.04.2006 um 18:22 schrieb Regina Pinto:
    >
    > Dear Beate and all,
    >
    > I visited your work and liked, specially the sound. But...
    >
    > Martin kippenberger is a polemic artist.
    > Also your text: "ich kann beim besten willen kein hakenkreuz darin" =
    > +- "I can recognize with the best sake no swastika therein" has
    > bestirred me.
    > Also the fact that you sent this email to my other email which is not
    > the email I use in rhizome. I do not know you from another list.
    > We have never talked before.
    > Are you trying to tell me anything? I would like to understand why you
    > sent me this work privately.
    > My ancestors were JEWISH if you are interested about this. Please,
    > tell me the truth!
    > It is so absurd that one can imagine this that I am a nazzy that I am
    > completely astonished!
    > My works are not polemic, can you tell me which is the work I did
    > which is polemic?
    > Have you seen any suastic in one of them? Please, tell me! Be sincere!
    > Perhaps the polemic is in your eyes or in the eyes of the one that is
    > spreading this, do you know him /her? Tell me please from whom you
    > received this information.
    > It seems to me that you are accusing me, if you are you doing this,
    > are you based on what? Could you explain me? I do not think that it is
    > ethical, do you?
    > The last evenements in Rizome made me stressed just because I did not
    > know of what I have been acused.
    > I have been sick, with hight blood pressure. Also I am not posting
    > because I do not like to cause problems, mainly if people do not do
    > direct accusations.
    > Please, be direct just like I am being, okay?
    > Let's decide this forever, please!
    >
    > I know who I am and I do not deserve this at all
    >
    > If I am imagining things, my sincere apologies!
    >
    > All best,
    >
    > Regina
  • Regina Pinto | Fri Apr 7th 2006 1:02 p.m.
    Dear Ryan and others,

    I did not sent this message to rhizome. I sent it to Beate first and as she
    did not answered fastly and I was really completely astonished I sent
    tosome other rhizomers, but not for you or to the list . It was Beate that
    forward it to rhizome . I have already answered her explanation which you
    can see below. If you or other person need more explanation, just tell me.

    Thank you Beate, and my apologies to you and other rhizomes. However you do
    not need to send messages to my other email. I am in Rhizome Raw yet. I have
    been really confused since some rhizome members told me that my emails were
    not welcome, just because my outlook software sent a message by mistake. I
    do not think that it is a reason for that and then I became to imagine why I
    received this kind of feedback. Your message reach me in this difficult
    period of my on line life . That is it.

    All best,

    Regina

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "beate zurwehme" <beate@zurwehme.org>
    To: "Regina Pinto" <arteonline@arteonline.arq.br>
    Cc: "Pall Thayer" <p_thay@alcor.concordia.ca>; "Lauren Cornell"
    <laurencornell@rhizome.org>; "Marisa Olson" <marisa@rhizome.org>; "Alan
    Sondheim" <sondheim@gmail.com>; "Jim Andrews" <jim@vispo.com>; "Michael
    Szpakowski" <szpako@yahoo.com>; "marc" <marc.garrett@furtherfield.org>;
    "Dirk Vekemans" <dv@vilt.net>; "christina mcphee"
    <christina112@earthlink.net>; "][catching.22][" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>
    Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:57 PM
    Subject: Re: martin kippenberger has left the building

    >
    > hello all,
    >
    > my intentions are on one side, to refer just to martin himself, and one of
    > his most famous paintigs is "ich kann beim besten willen kein hakenkreut
    > darauf erkennen", now owned by collector mick flick. i did not realized
    > that this work would be totally unknown. on the other side, i want to
    > recall this "nazi"-thing. most people, in the art world too, want to
    > forget, or nothing to know., they are born later than ww2 ended, and so
    > on. i'm 1/8 jewish, and i hate nazis, i hate artists who like to make
    > clean art and clean business inside a clean social enmvironment, because
    > that will claim that the "nazi geist" is still around us.
    >
    > thank you.
    >
    > beate

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ryan Griffis" <ryan.griffis@gmail.com>
    To: "rhizome" <list@rhizome.org>
    Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:39 PM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: martin kippenberger has left the building

    > Regina...
    > are you OK?
    > if this is a performance meant to cause concern about a person i've never
    > met except through a list, it has worked.
    > are you singling me out for a particular reason? why have i been chosen to
    > receive your desperate thoughts?
    > am i more guilty than others?
    > do not play games with such fragile and serious things. please.
    > you must know i care.
    > the people running my country are proven criminals and murderers, but i
    > cannot say i care more about that than this.
    > even my dog has been neglected, since my thoughts have become so
    > overwhelmed with this concern.
    > i do not know how to be any more direct.
    >
    > On Apr 7, 2006, at 11:57 AM, beate zurwehme wrote:
    >
    >> Am 07.04.2006 um 18:22 schrieb Regina Pinto:
    >>
    >> Dear Beate and all,
    >>
    >> I visited your work and liked, specially the sound. But...
    >>
    >> Martin kippenberger is a polemic artist.
    >> Also your text: "ich kann beim besten willen kein hakenkreuz darin" = +-
    >> "I can recognize with the best sake no swastika therein" has bestirred
    >> me.
    >> Also the fact that you sent this email to my other email which is not the
    >> email I use in rhizome. I do not know you from another list.
    >> We have never talked before.
    >> Are you trying to tell me anything? I would like to understand why you
    >> sent me this work privately.
    >> My ancestors were JEWISH if you are interested about this. Please, tell
    >> me the truth!
    >> It is so absurd that one can imagine this that I am a nazzy that I am
    >> completely astonished!
    >> My works are not polemic, can you tell me which is the work I did which
    >> is polemic?
    >> Have you seen any suastic in one of them? Please, tell me! Be sincere!
    >> Perhaps the polemic is in your eyes or in the eyes of the one that is
    >> spreading this, do you know him /her? Tell me please from whom you
    >> received this information.
    >> It seems to me that you are accusing me, if you are you doing this, are
    >> you based on what? Could you explain me? I do not think that it is
    >> ethical, do you?
    >> The last evenements in Rizome made me stressed just because I did not
    >> know of what I have been acused.
    >> I have been sick, with hight blood pressure. Also I am not posting
    >> because I do not like to cause problems, mainly if people do not do
    >> direct accusations.
    >> Please, be direct just like I am being, okay?
    >> Let's decide this forever, please!
    >>
    >> I know who I am and I do not deserve this at all
    >>
    >> If I am imagining things, my sincere apologies!
    >>
    >> All best,
    >>
    >> Regina
    >
    > +
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    > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
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  • Regina Pinto | Fri Apr 7th 2006 4:09 p.m.
    Hi Ryan,

    No, I am not OK. I am completely up set, that is it. I would never do
    anything performative which such horrible them.
    The message I sent to you and Curt where sent by the same reason, I want to
    discover why people were so agressive with me because my outlook sent a
    message by mistake. By the way, I imagine that it was the first time that
    someone received a message from mailia here. If you searh the archives of
    March 21st, probably you will realize this. I am always looking for any sign
    of the reason of this negative feedback in the messages I receive from
    rhizome. It is a completely stressing situation. Bu the way, I admire you a
    lot, you were the only one to help me that day.

    I do not post to rhizome since March 23, that day I sent a message with two
    links for you, saying this:

    "Thanks for the link Ryan, quite good!
    Below two good texts in English by Suely Rolnik about Lygia Clark. There you
    will find good information about relational objects, as I have promised."

    Imediately someone posted a message:

    DO NOT TEST
    DO NOT TEST
    DO NOT TEST

    After this I received that message, I stop to send messages and became
    completely stressed trying to discover why someone that I do not know and
    that I have never talked before could do this kind of thing with me..

    Today someone here wrote telling that there were less messages to rhizome.
    Another one reply right away telling that it was very good. After this I
    received the message from Beate with this subject "martin kippenberger has
    left the building" (I related this with the previous messages - who is not
    posting here - me), the worse is that she sent this to Rhizome and to
    another of my emails, I do not belong the list serverfestival@listner.org
    from where the email was sent, so that it must be sent as bcc. So I imagined
    that she was very interested that I read that message, and the rest you
    already know.

    I am a very sensitive person, to you have an idea, I have stoped to work in
    my projects since March 23 rd, I do not get to do anything. During three
    days I was on the bed with the world rotating around me because of my high
    blood pressure. In fact I can not understand why someone like me that are
    always working to net.art and announcing other artists and their works, and
    Art and Culture deserved that kind of feedback from the list.

    My sincere apologies, but if one of you could tell me what I have done to
    deserve this, it will be wonderful.

    To conclude I would like to say that the rhizomers which I sent a copy of
    the my message to Beate are chosen among my friends or rhizomers that know
    me there are much time or rhizomers that I think that are vip. I have not
    against them

    I hope it should clarify why I am not okay.

    Yours,

    Regina

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ryan Griffis" <ryan.griffis@gmail.com>
    To: "Regina Pinto" <reginapinto@arteonline.arq.br>
    Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:21 PM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: martin kippenberger has left the building

    > Hi Regina,
    > i certainly did not mean my post to be an insult, but after seeing your
    > response to Beate and remembering your message to Curt and myself earlier
    > in the week... there seems an odd pattern.
    > as far as i can tell none of the posts that have attracted your attention
    > seem to be directed at you in any way whatsoever. so my conclusion is that
    > your messages are somehow performative and meant to "get at" something
    > else - to redirect our attention.
    > if not, i meant my question genuinely: "are you OK?"
    > it's not really my place to ask, as i don't know you at all... but i
    > thought a public display of concern was warranted.
    > at any rate, i have never and will never post anything personal and
    > malicious on the list, and would certainly never do anything to
    > purposefully offend or insult you. i don't think many people on rhizome
    > would either. your posts to rhizome are welcome and interesting. (still
    > going through some of your links re Lygia Clark, etc)
    > take care,
    > ryan
    >
    > On Apr 7, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Regina Pinto wrote:
    >
    >> Dear Ryan and others,
    >>
    >> I did not sent this message to rhizome. I sent it to Beate first and as
    >> she did not answered fastly and I was really completely astonished I
    >> sent tosome other rhizomers, but not for you or to the list . It was
    >> Beate that forward it to rhizome . I have already answered her
    >> explanation which you can see below. If you or other person need more
    >> explanation, just tell me.
    >>
    >> Thank you Beate, and my apologies to you and other rhizomes. However you
    >> do not need to send messages to my other email. I am in Rhizome Raw yet.
    >> I have been really confused since some rhizome members told me that my
    >> emails were not welcome, just because my outlook software sent a message
    >> by mistake. I do not think that it is a reason for that and then I became
    >> to imagine why I received this kind of feedback. Your message reach me in
    >> this difficult period of my on line life . That is it.
    >>
    >> All best,
    >>
    >> Regina
    >
    >
    >
  • Michael Szpakowski | Fri Apr 7th 2006 5:05 p.m.
    HI Regina
    I'm sorry to hear you are not well.
    You need to take care of yourself & not worry about
    stuff so much.
    You and your museum are a force for good.
    You've presented lots of peoples' work in an
    enormously generous way & you've made beautiful work
    yourself.
    I don't *think* anyone wants to make you unhappy or to
    criticise you unjustifiably. If they do they are not
    worth worrying about.
    Concentrate on getting better & then come back to
    Rhizome & to the other lists.
    If the lists can't absorb & benefit from your
    personality, your work, your thoughts and your care
    for the work of others, then they in turn are not
    worth worrying about.
    Take it easy & get better.
    warmest wishes
    michael

    --- Regina Pinto <reginapinto@arteonline.arq.br>
    wrote:

    > Hi Ryan,
    >
    > No, I am not OK. I am completely up set, that is it.
    > I would never do
    > anything performative which such horrible them.
    > The message I sent to you and Curt where sent by the
    > same reason, I want to
    > discover why people were so agressive with me
    > because my outlook sent a
    > message by mistake. By the way, I imagine that it
    > was the first time that
    > someone received a message from mailia here. If you
    > searh the archives of
    > March 21st, probably you will realize this. I am
    > always looking for any sign
    > of the reason of this negative feedback in the
    > messages I receive from
    > rhizome. It is a completely stressing situation. Bu
    > the way, I admire you a
    > lot, you were the only one to help me that day.
    >
    > I do not post to rhizome since March 23, that day I
    > sent a message with two
    > links for you, saying this:
    >
    > "Thanks for the link Ryan, quite good!
    > Below two good texts in English by Suely Rolnik
    > about Lygia Clark. There you
    > will find good information about relational objects,
    > as I have promised."
    >
    > Imediately someone posted a message:
    >
    > DO NOT TEST
    > DO NOT TEST
    > DO NOT TEST
    >
    > After this I received that message, I stop to send
    > messages and became
    > completely stressed trying to discover why someone
    > that I do not know and
    > that I have never talked before could do this kind
    > of thing with me..
    >
    > Today someone here wrote telling that there were
    > less messages to rhizome.
    > Another one reply right away telling that it was
    > very good. After this I
    > received the message from Beate with this subject
    > "martin kippenberger has
    > left the building" (I related this with the previous
    > messages - who is not
    > posting here - me), the worse is that she sent this
    > to Rhizome and to
    > another of my emails, I do not belong the list
    > serverfestival@listner.org
    > from where the email was sent, so that it must be
    > sent as bcc. So I imagined
    > that she was very interested that I read that
    > message, and the rest you
    > already know.
    >
    > I am a very sensitive person, to you have an idea,
    > I have stoped to work in
    > my projects since March 23 rd, I do not get to do
    > anything. During three
    > days I was on the bed with the world rotating around
    > me because of my high
    > blood pressure. In fact I can not understand why
    > someone like me that are
    > always working to net.art and announcing other
    > artists and their works, and
    > Art and Culture deserved that kind of feedback from
    > the list.
    >
    > My sincere apologies, but if one of you could tell
    > me what I have done to
    > deserve this, it will be wonderful.
    >
    > To conclude I would like to say that the rhizomers
    > which I sent a copy of
    > the my message to Beate are chosen among my friends
    > or rhizomers that know
    > me there are much time or rhizomers that I think
    > that are vip. I have not
    > against them
    >
    > I hope it should clarify why I am not okay.
    >
    > Yours,
    >
    > Regina
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Ryan Griffis" <ryan.griffis@gmail.com>
    > To: "Regina Pinto" <reginapinto@arteonline.arq.br>
    > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:21 PM
    > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: martin kippenberger
    > has left the building
    >
    >
    > > Hi Regina,
    > > i certainly did not mean my post to be an insult,
    > but after seeing your
    > > response to Beate and remembering your message to
    > Curt and myself earlier
    > > in the week... there seems an odd pattern.
    > > as far as i can tell none of the posts that have
    > attracted your attention
    > > seem to be directed at you in any way whatsoever.
    > so my conclusion is that
    > > your messages are somehow performative and meant
    > to "get at" something
    > > else - to redirect our attention.
    > > if not, i meant my question genuinely: "are you
    > OK?"
    > > it's not really my place to ask, as i don't know
    > you at all... but i
    > > thought a public display of concern was warranted.
    > > at any rate, i have never and will never post
    > anything personal and
    > > malicious on the list, and would certainly never
    > do anything to
    > > purposefully offend or insult you. i don't think
    > many people on rhizome
    > > would either. your posts to rhizome are welcome
    > and interesting. (still
    > > going through some of your links re Lygia Clark,
    > etc)
    > > take care,
    > > ryan
    > >
    > > On Apr 7, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Regina Pinto wrote:
    > >
    > >> Dear Ryan and others,
    > >>
    > >> I did not sent this message to rhizome. I sent it
    > to Beate first and as
    > >> she did not answered fastly and I was really
    > completely astonished I
    > >> sent tosome other rhizomers, but not for you or
    > to the list . It was
    > >> Beate that forward it to rhizome . I have already
    > answered her
    > >> explanation which you can see below. If you or
    > other person need more
    > >> explanation, just tell me.
    > >>
    > >> Thank you Beate, and my apologies to you and
    > other rhizomes. However you
    > >> do not need to send messages to my other email. I
    > am in Rhizome Raw yet.
    > >> I have been really confused since some rhizome
    > members told me that my
    > >> emails were not welcome, just because my outlook
    > software sent a message
    > >> by mistake. I do not think that it is a reason
    > for that and then I became
    > >> to imagine why I received this kind of feedback.
    > Your message reach me in
    > >> this difficult period of my on line life . That
    > is it.
    > >>
    > >> All best,
    > >>
    > >> Regina
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    > +
    > -> post: list@rhizome.org
    > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
    > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
    > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
    > +
    > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set
    > out in the
    > Membership Agreement available online at
    > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
    >
  • Regina Pinto | Fri Apr 7th 2006 6:18 p.m.
    Hello Michael,

    Thank you so much!

    A hug,

    Regina

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Michael Szpakowski" <szpako@yahoo.com>
    To: "Regina Pinto" <reginapinto@arteonline.arq.br>; <list@rhizome.org>
    Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:05 PM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: martin kippenberger has left the building

    > HI Regina
    > I'm sorry to hear you are not well.
    > You need to take care of yourself & not worry about
    > stuff so much.
    > You and your museum are a force for good.
    > You've presented lots of peoples' work in an
    > enormously generous way & you've made beautiful work
    > yourself.
    > I don't *think* anyone wants to make you unhappy or to
    > criticise you unjustifiably. If they do they are not
    > worth worrying about.
    > Concentrate on getting better & then come back to
    > Rhizome & to the other lists.
    > If the lists can't absorb & benefit from your
    > personality, your work, your thoughts and your care
    > for the work of others, then they in turn are not
    > worth worrying about.
    > Take it easy & get better.
    > warmest wishes
    > michael
    >
    > --- Regina Pinto <reginapinto@arteonline.arq.br>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Hi Ryan,
    >>
    >> No, I am not OK. I am completely up set, that is it.
    >> I would never do
    >> anything performative which such horrible them.
    >> The message I sent to you and Curt where sent by the
    >> same reason, I want to
    >> discover why people were so agressive with me
    >> because my outlook sent a
    >> message by mistake. By the way, I imagine that it
    >> was the first time that
    >> someone received a message from mailia here. If you
    >> searh the archives of
    >> March 21st, probably you will realize this. I am
    >> always looking for any sign
    >> of the reason of this negative feedback in the
    >> messages I receive from
    >> rhizome. It is a completely stressing situation. Bu
    >> the way, I admire you a
    >> lot, you were the only one to help me that day.
    >>
    >> I do not post to rhizome since March 23, that day I
    >> sent a message with two
    >> links for you, saying this:
    >>
    >> "Thanks for the link Ryan, quite good!
    >> Below two good texts in English by Suely Rolnik
    >> about Lygia Clark. There you
    >> will find good information about relational objects,
    >> as I have promised."
    >>
    >> Imediately someone posted a message:
    >>
    >> DO NOT TEST
    >> DO NOT TEST
    >> DO NOT TEST
    >>
    >> After this I received that message, I stop to send
    >> messages and became
    >> completely stressed trying to discover why someone
    >> that I do not know and
    >> that I have never talked before could do this kind
    >> of thing with me..
    >>
    >> Today someone here wrote telling that there were
    >> less messages to rhizome.
    >> Another one reply right away telling that it was
    >> very good. After this I
    >> received the message from Beate with this subject
    >> "martin kippenberger has
    >> left the building" (I related this with the previous
    >> messages - who is not
    >> posting here - me), the worse is that she sent this
    >> to Rhizome and to
    >> another of my emails, I do not belong the list
    >> serverfestival@listner.org
    >> from where the email was sent, so that it must be
    >> sent as bcc. So I imagined
    >> that she was very interested that I read that
    >> message, and the rest you
    >> already know.
    >>
    >> I am a very sensitive person, to you have an idea,
    >> I have stoped to work in
    >> my projects since March 23 rd, I do not get to do
    >> anything. During three
    >> days I was on the bed with the world rotating around
    >> me because of my high
    >> blood pressure. In fact I can not understand why
    >> someone like me that are
    >> always working to net.art and announcing other
    >> artists and their works, and
    >> Art and Culture deserved that kind of feedback from
    >> the list.
    >>
    >> My sincere apologies, but if one of you could tell
    >> me what I have done to
    >> deserve this, it will be wonderful.
    >>
    >> To conclude I would like to say that the rhizomers
    >> which I sent a copy of
    >> the my message to Beate are chosen among my friends
    >> or rhizomers that know
    >> me there are much time or rhizomers that I think
    >> that are vip. I have not
    >> against them
    >>
    >> I hope it should clarify why I am not okay.
    >>
    >> Yours,
    >>
    >> Regina
    >>
    >>
    >> ----- Original Message -----
    >> From: "Ryan Griffis" <ryan.griffis@gmail.com>
    >> To: "Regina Pinto" <reginapinto@arteonline.arq.br>
    >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:21 PM
    >> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: martin kippenberger
    >> has left the building
    >>
    >>
    >> > Hi Regina,
    >> > i certainly did not mean my post to be an insult,
    >> but after seeing your
    >> > response to Beate and remembering your message to
    >> Curt and myself earlier
    >> > in the week... there seems an odd pattern.
    >> > as far as i can tell none of the posts that have
    >> attracted your attention
    >> > seem to be directed at you in any way whatsoever.
    >> so my conclusion is that
    >> > your messages are somehow performative and meant
    >> to "get at" something
    >> > else - to redirect our attention.
    >> > if not, i meant my question genuinely: "are you
    >> OK?"
    >> > it's not really my place to ask, as i don't know
    >> you at all... but i
    >> > thought a public display of concern was warranted.
    >> > at any rate, i have never and will never post
    >> anything personal and
    >> > malicious on the list, and would certainly never
    >> do anything to
    >> > purposefully offend or insult you. i don't think
    >> many people on rhizome
    >> > would either. your posts to rhizome are welcome
    >> and interesting. (still
    >> > going through some of your links re Lygia Clark,
    >> etc)
    >> > take care,
    >> > ryan
    >> >
    >> > On Apr 7, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Regina Pinto wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> Dear Ryan and others,
    >> >>
    >> >> I did not sent this message to rhizome. I sent it
    >> to Beate first and as
    >> >> she did not answered fastly and I was really
    >> completely astonished I
    >> >> sent tosome other rhizomers, but not for you or
    >> to the list . It was
    >> >> Beate that forward it to rhizome . I have already
    >> answered her
    >> >> explanation which you can see below. If you or
    >> other person need more
    >> >> explanation, just tell me.
    >> >>
    >> >> Thank you Beate, and my apologies to you and
    >> other rhizomes. However you
    >> >> do not need to send messages to my other email. I
    >> am in Rhizome Raw yet.
    >> >> I have been really confused since some rhizome
    >> members told me that my
    >> >> emails were not welcome, just because my outlook
    >> software sent a message
    >> >> by mistake. I do not think that it is a reason
    >> for that and then I became
    >> >> to imagine why I received this kind of feedback.
    >> Your message reach me in
    >> >> this difficult period of my on line life . That
    >> is it.
    >> >>
    >> >> All best,
    >> >>
    >> >> Regina
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >> +
    >> -> post: list@rhizome.org
    >> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    >> -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
    >> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
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    >> +
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    >> out in the
    >> Membership Agreement available online at
    >> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
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  • Nad | Sat Apr 8th 2006 12:27 a.m.
    Hello Regina,

    I wish you all the best for your health!
    i like your work, keep doing!
    i hope things will sort out.

    nad
  • Dirk Vekemans | Sat Apr 8th 2006 1:10 a.m.
    Same best wishes from me Regina,
    Yours,
    dv

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    Central Authoring Process of the
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  • annie abrahams | Sat Apr 8th 2006 3:58 a.m.
    I agree with Michael, he is right

    Please take care Regina

    Annie Abrahams

    On 4/8/06, Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > HI Regina
    > I'm sorry to hear you are not well.
    > You need to take care of yourself & not worry about
    > stuff so much.
    > You and your museum are a force for good.
    > You've presented lots of peoples' work in an
    > enormously generous way & you've made beautiful work
    > yourself.
    > I don't *think* anyone wants to make you unhappy or to
    > criticise you unjustifiably. If they do they are not
    > worth worrying about.
    > Concentrate on getting better & then come back to
    > Rhizome & to the other lists.
    > If the lists can't absorb & benefit from your
    > personality, your work, your thoughts and your care
    > for the work of others, then they in turn are not
    > worth worrying about.
    > Take it easy & get better.
    > warmest wishes
    > michael
    >
    > --- Regina Pinto <reginapinto@arteonline.arq.br>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > Hi Ryan,
    > >
    > > No, I am not OK. I am completely up set, that is it.
    > > I would never do
    > > anything performative which such horrible them.
    > > The message I sent to you and Curt where sent by the
    > > same reason, I want to
    > > discover why people were so agressive with me
    > > because my outlook sent a
    > > message by mistake. By the way, I imagine that it
    > > was the first time that
    > > someone received a message from mailia here. If you
    > > searh the archives of
    > > March 21st, probably you will realize this. I am
    > > always looking for any sign
    > > of the reason of this negative feedback in the
    > > messages I receive from
    > > rhizome. It is a completely stressing situation. Bu
    > > the way, I admire you a
    > > lot, you were the only one to help me that day.
    > >
    > > I do not post to rhizome since March 23, that day I
    > > sent a message with two
    > > links for you, saying this:
    > >
    > > "Thanks for the link Ryan, quite good!
    > > Below two good texts in English by Suely Rolnik
    > > about Lygia Clark. There you
    > > will find good information about relational objects,
    > > as I have promised."
    > >
    > > Imediately someone posted a message:
    > >
    > > DO NOT TEST
    > > DO NOT TEST
    > > DO NOT TEST
    > >
    > > After this I received that message, I stop to send
    > > messages and became
    > > completely stressed trying to discover why someone
    > > that I do not know and
    > > that I have never talked before could do this kind
    > > of thing with me..
    > >
    > > Today someone here wrote telling that there were
    > > less messages to rhizome.
    > > Another one reply right away telling that it was
    > > very good. After this I
    > > received the message from Beate with this subject
    > > "martin kippenberger has
    > > left the building" (I related this with the previous
    > > messages - who is not
    > > posting here - me), the worse is that she sent this
    > > to Rhizome and to
    > > another of my emails, I do not belong the list
    > > serverfestival@listner.org
    > > from where the email was sent, so that it must be
    > > sent as bcc. So I imagined
    > > that she was very interested that I read that
    > > message, and the rest you
    > > already know.
    > >
    > > I am a very sensitive person, to you have an idea,
    > > I have stoped to work in
    > > my projects since March 23 rd, I do not get to do
    > > anything. During three
    > > days I was on the bed with the world rotating around
    > > me because of my high
    > > blood pressure. In fact I can not understand why
    > > someone like me that are
    > > always working to net.art and announcing other
    > > artists and their works, and
    > > Art and Culture deserved that kind of feedback from
    > > the list.
    > >
    > > My sincere apologies, but if one of you could tell
    > > me what I have done to
    > > deserve this, it will be wonderful.
    > >
    > > To conclude I would like to say that the rhizomers
    > > which I sent a copy of
    > > the my message to Beate are chosen among my friends
    > > or rhizomers that know
    > > me there are much time or rhizomers that I think
    > > that are vip. I have not
    > > against them
    > >
    > > I hope it should clarify why I am not okay.
    > >
    > > Yours,
    > >
    > > Regina
    > >
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Ryan Griffis" <ryan.griffis@gmail.com>
    > > To: "Regina Pinto" <reginapinto@arteonline.arq.br>
    > > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:21 PM
    > > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: martin kippenberger
    > > has left the building
    > >
    > >
    > > > Hi Regina,
    > > > i certainly did not mean my post to be an insult,
    > > but after seeing your
    > > > response to Beate and remembering your message to
    > > Curt and myself earlier
    > > > in the week... there seems an odd pattern.
    > > > as far as i can tell none of the posts that have
    > > attracted your attention
    > > > seem to be directed at you in any way whatsoever.
    > > so my conclusion is that
    > > > your messages are somehow performative and meant
    > > to "get at" something
    > > > else - to redirect our attention.
    > > > if not, i meant my question genuinely: "are you
    > > OK?"
    > > > it's not really my place to ask, as i don't know
    > > you at all... but i
    > > > thought a public display of concern was warranted.
    > > > at any rate, i have never and will never post
    > > anything personal and
    > > > malicious on the list, and would certainly never
    > > do anything to
    > > > purposefully offend or insult you. i don't think
    > > many people on rhizome
    > > > would either. your posts to rhizome are welcome
    > > and interesting. (still
    > > > going through some of your links re Lygia Clark,
    > > etc)
    > > > take care,
    > > > ryan
    > > >
    > > > On Apr 7, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Regina Pinto wrote:
    > > >
    > > >> Dear Ryan and others,
    > > >>
    > > >> I did not sent this message to rhizome. I sent it
    > > to Beate first and as
    > > >> she did not answered fastly and I was really
    > > completely astonished I
    > > >> sent tosome other rhizomers, but not for you or
    > > to the list . It was
    > > >> Beate that forward it to rhizome . I have already
    > > answered her
    > > >> explanation which you can see below. If you or
    > > other person need more
    > > >> explanation, just tell me.
    > > >>
    > > >> Thank you Beate, and my apologies to you and
    > > other rhizomes. However you
    > > >> do not need to send messages to my other email. I
    > > am in Rhizome Raw yet.
    > > >> I have been really confused since some rhizome
    > > members told me that my
    > > >> emails were not welcome, just because my outlook
    > > software sent a message
    > > >> by mistake. I do not think that it is a reason
    > > for that and then I became
    > > >> to imagine why I received this kind of feedback.
    > > Your message reach me in
    > > >> this difficult period of my on line life . That
    > > is it.
    > > >>
    > > >> All best,
    > > >>
    > > >> Regina
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    > > +
    > > -> post: list@rhizome.org
    > > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
    > > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
    > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
    > > +
    > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set
    > > out in the
    > > Membership Agreement available online at
    > > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
    > >
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