necessiti of ego-destruktion

Posted by Maschine Hospital | Wed Apr 5th 2006 6:49 p.m.

Obviously, before the Bodhisattva is born, the Bodhicitta must be
formed within ourselves. Furthermore, it is important to clarify the
necessity of disintegrating the ego, the "I" in order for the
Bodhicitta to emerge. The Bodhicitta is formed with the merits of love
and supreme sacrifice for our fellowmen. The Bodhisattva is formed
within the environment and psychological atmosphere of the Bodhicitta."

To create a network with the risk of egos imploding has been proven
again and again and again as unsound and yet the humans keep on trying.

Why is the destruction of the ego such an unpalatable task?

- The Pistis Sophia Unveiled
--
`~. ka-shin.Rei D42 Kandinskij
D42 Des?Gn Studio
  • Vijay Pattisapu | Thu Apr 6th 2006 7:39 p.m.
    <div>By way of footnote--</div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <div>bodhicitta: bodhi citta</div>
    <div>bodhi&nbsp;: fr. root *budh - "to know"&nbsp;: "knowledge"</div>
    <div>citta&nbsp;: "consciousness"</div>
    <div>...thus the compound: "knowledge-consciousness" i.e., the
    consciousness of knowledge ...by extension, a person who has
    that<BR></div>
    <DIV name="wmMessageComp">bodhisattva: bodhi sattva</DIV>
    <DIV name="wmMessageComp">bodhi : "knowledge"</DIV>
    <DIV name="wmMessageComp">sattva : root *as - "to be" ... 3rd sg.
    sat:&nbsp;[he/she/it] "is" + abstract noun suffix (-tva: "-ness"): lit.
    "is-ness" i.e., "reality"</DIV>
    <DIV name="wmMessageComp">... thus the
    compound:&nbsp;"knowledge-reality" i.e., the reality or
    presence&nbsp;of knowledge ...by extension, a person who is
    characterized by/as that </DIV>
    <DIV name="wmMessageComp">&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV name="wmMessageComp">---</DIV>
    <DIV name="wmMessageComp">Where is that quote from,
    Kandinskij?<BR><BR>-Vijay</DIV>
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    "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" &lt;death@punkassbitch.org&gt;<BR>Date: Wed,
    April 05, 2006 5:49 pm<BR>To: list@rhizome.org<BR><BR>"Obviously,
    before the Bodhisattva is born, the Bodhicitta must be<BR>formed within
    ourselves. &nbsp;Furthermore, it is important to clarify
    the<BR>necessity of disintegrating the ego, the "I" in order for
    the<BR>Bodhicitta to emerge. &nbsp;The Bodhicitta is formed with the
    merits of love<BR>and supreme sacrifice for our fellowmen. &nbsp;The
    Bodhisattva is formed<BR>within the environment and psychological
    atmosphere of the Bodhicitta."<BR><BR>To create a network with the risk
    of egos imploding has been proven<BR>again and again and again as
    unsound and yet the humans keep on trying.<BR><BR>Why is the
    destruction of the ego such an unpalatable task?<BR><BR><BR>- The
    Pistis Sophia Unveiled<BR>-- <BR>`~. ka-shin.Rei D42
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  • Eric Dymond | Thu Apr 6th 2006 9:02 p.m.
    >"Obviously, before the Bodhisattva is born, the Bodhicitta must be
    >formed within ourselves. Furthermore, it is important to clarify the
    >necessity of disintegrating the ego, the "I" in order for the
    >Bodhicitta to emerge. The Bodhicitta is formed with the merits of >love
    >and supreme sacrifice for our fellowmen. The Bodhisattva is formed
    >within the environment and psychological atmosphere of the >Bodhicitta."

    Why are these gnostic preachings obvious?
    Why should I go to Iraq and disintegrate my "I"?
    Why are my fellowmen assumed to be indifferent to my plight?

    >To create a network with the risk of egos imploding has been proven
    >again and again and again as unsound and yet the humans keep on >trying.

    The ego saves us from the willy nilly destruction of the collective hateful storms that gnostic preaching advocates.

    >Why is the destruction of the ego such an unpalatable task?

    see above
    >Because we choose to exist for ourselves.

    hopefully

    Go far away.

    - The Pistis Sophia Unveiled
    --
    `~. ka-shin.Rei D42 Kandinskij
    D42 Des?Gn Studio

    The self admired.
  • Eryk Salvaggio | Thu Apr 6th 2006 11:47 p.m.
    But I really want to build a network where the ego implodes, don't I? I think of what I'd like to do with art, and that's one of the aims- to encourage and assist in the destruction of illusion, delusion, and ego. I haven't done very well, but the
    theme is present as an interest, maybe the sole interest, and I doubt that with art I've even yet to begin producing anything.

    So, really? Is this a completely misguided practice? My doubts as of late are whether or not the net can produce that kind of result in any other way besides slapping hands when they point at you. I feel like the entire structure is designed for ego
    annhilation or to facilitate the ego annhilating, you know? Either this thing is gonna get us somewhere or its going to kill us in a bath of crazy externally reinforced subjectivity.

    If boiling our ego/illusion/delusion/false consciousness in a tub of acid must be a completely self-contained process, then I could never assist anyone! I recieved outside help, though I had to choose it. I don't feel like I could give it, not yet.
    If true, what next?

    -er.

    "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@punkassbitch.org> on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 at 7:49 PM -0500 wrote:
    >"Obviously, before the Bodhisattva is born, the Bodhicitta must be
    >formed within ourselves. Furthermore, it is important to clarify the
    >necessity of disintegrating the ego, the "I" in order for the
    >Bodhicitta to emerge. The Bodhicitta is formed with the merits of love
    >and supreme sacrifice for our fellowmen. The Bodhisattva is formed
    >within the environment and psychological atmosphere of the Bodhicitta."
    >
    >To create a network with the risk of egos imploding has been proven
    >again and again and again as unsound and yet the humans keep on trying.
    >
    >Why is the destruction of the ego such an unpalatable task?
    >
    >
    >- The Pistis Sophia Unveiled
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    > D42 Des?Gn Studio
    >
    >
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  • Eric Dymond | Sat Apr 8th 2006 9:12 p.m.
    But Eryk, isn't your ideal network just an extension of your own ego?

    We all expected the network to profoundly change our actions, and it has.
    It's not as dark and forbodding as you describe. It is the anarchic, and anarchy was never a collective experience. I still see the collective as an extension of the super-ego, and that super-ego is easily usurped, by Stalin, by Hitler, and by current regimes.

    Eric
  • Eric Dymond | Sat Apr 8th 2006 9:29 p.m.
    In other words Eryk, I would rather put up with the noise of millions of egos than live with the silence of a destructive super-ego.

    Eric
  • Eryk Salvaggio | Sat Apr 8th 2006 10:28 p.m.
    Eric Dymond <dymond@idirect.ca> on Saturday, April 08, 2006 at 11:12 PM -0500 wrote:
    >But Eryk, isn't your ideal network just an extension of your own ego?

    You can work with an awareness of your ego and ignore the ego. It takes practice, but not even that much practice before you're aware it's an actual possibility. I am not at the point where I can completely disregard ego, but I can be aware of my
    ego to a greater extent than I have been, just by looking for it. I still have to admit I am primarily an ego-destructing hobbyist with bouts of authentic effort and opportunities.
    >
    >
    >We all expected the network to profoundly change our actions, and it has.
    >It's not as dark and forbodding as you describe. It is the anarchic, and anarchy was never a collective experience. I still see the collective as an extension of the super-ego, and that super-ego is easily usurped, by Stalin, by Hitler, and by
    >current regimes.

    Precisely; but some of that anarchy is seeking order. So we're living in an amplified echo-chamber of noise and self-gratification, and the web allows us to seek out reinforcements of our reality rather than the option to extend and expand it. It's
    not the technology per se, its the use of the technology that worries me.
    >
    >
    >Eric
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  • Eric Dymond | Sat Apr 8th 2006 10:38 p.m.
    >Precisely; but some of that anarchy is seeking order. So we're living >in an amplified echo-chamber of noise and self-gratification, and the >web allows us to seek out reinforcements of our reality rather than >the option to extend and expand it. It's
    >not the technology per se, its the use of the technology that worries >me.

    Well you are dead on track with the issue of use. I hope that egos take control of the media and use it for their own determined reification. We wait and watch and worry, but there is much to hope for. The current regimes force a self aware censure on our acts. I see the ego as the only way to break through this paranoid cul de sac.
    Same goal, different methods.
    take care,
    Eric
  • Eryk Salvaggio | Sun Apr 9th 2006 10:58 a.m.
    Well I should be more precise in breaking down the ego as an instrument of will and the ego as an instrument of delusion. Certainly the ego of the will is vital and no practice I know of advocates the destruction of that element of ego. The ego
    driven mythologies and drive to reality-excluding self-satisfaction is my concern. The notion that the echo chamber is really a bunch of people getting together to form a mutually agreed upon, socially constructed reality. That has nothing to do
    with ego and has everything to do with looking for outside reinforcements of mythology and delusion. And they'll do it, have done it- read any political blog with any readership to speak of, and watch what's happening. It's not pretty!

    -er.

    Eric Dymond <dymond@idirect.ca> on Sunday, April 09, 2006 at 12:38 AM -0500 wrote:
    >>Precisely; but some of that anarchy is seeking order. So we're living >in an amplified echo-chamber of noise and self-gratification, and the >web allows us to seek out reinforcements of our reality rather than >the option to extend and expand it.
    >It's
    >>not the technology per se, its the use of the technology that worries >me.
    >
    >Well you are dead on track with the issue of use. I hope that egos take control of the media and use it for their own determined reification. We wait and watch and worry, but there is much to hope for. The current regimes force a self aware censure
    >on our acts. I see the ego as the only way to break through this paranoid cul de sac.
    >Same goal, different methods.
    >take care,
    >Eric
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  • Vijay Pattisapu | Sun Apr 9th 2006 5:48 p.m.
    > I see the ego as the only way to break through this paranoid cul de sac. -Eric D.

    But what if the ego is as much a product of the paranoid cul de sac as a
    resistance to it?

    If there is a difference, how do we find it? / what are the criteria for
    what is out vs. in me ?

    (...earnest, not rhetorical questions...)

    Vijay
  • Maschine Hospital | Sun Apr 30th 2006 9:58 a.m.
    On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 vijay@indusav.com wrote:

    > But what if the ego is as much a product of the paranoid cul de sac as a
    > resistance to it?
    >
    > If there is a difference, how do we find it? / what are the criteria for
    > what is out vs. in me ?
    >
    > (...earnest, not rhetorical questions...)
    >
    > Vijay
    >

    V. excellent question: what if the ego is a fly sitting on the tip of your
    nose that makes you chase your tail around all life long w/o
    accomplizshing anything, annoying your neighbours, and killing your wife?
    Wouldn't "you" <Uncle Sam Finger Point> want to get rid of it and the
    porn-star indusdtry of "quasdi_personal attention"--you are all stars now?
    Or would you prefer to make pleasant, housewife, Oprah-style pornography
    to feed the papie-mache "rekkid" and "media" Industrie?

    <insert klown musik> you can all be staaarz.. unity is impooosible..
    be more fragmented and disunited than eeever, make your own poorn!
    weverybody is a rock staaaar</>

    or would "you" prefer to rock-sockit all with an excellently handmade
    cole haan handbag?!

    <not free>
    http://www.colehaan.com/colehaan/catalog/product.jsp?productId2296&categoryId03126&productGroup2298
    </not free>

    Gone knitting!

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