[ann][work] internet art for poor people

Posted by carlos katastrofsky | Fri Feb 10th 2006 12:51 p.m.

http://aqua.subnet.at/carlos/projekte/netart/404_poor/

thinking about some statistics regarding internet access and wealth...
  • Marisa Olson | Fri Feb 10th 2006 7:34 p.m.
    Carlos,

    I'm intrigued by your use of a 404 (or 404-like) page to convey this
    info. Was it just a formal and/or conceptual way to encapsulate an
    external link? A comment on the lost (ie people/ sites) and/or loss
    (financial/ informational)?

    I like the irony of this page being used in an art project, and
    referring to itself (it, an external component of the artwork) as "The
    Big Picture." :)

    I guess I'm just also interested in 404 pages, in general. Patrick May
    and I were comparing notes on this older project, today:

    http://www.linkoln.net/4z4/

    Anyway, wanna tell us more? I'm typing this while listening to the MP3
    from the Net Aesthetics 2.0 panel (
    http://www.eai.org/download/net_aesth.mp3 ), which frequently came
    back to questions of what is/ isn't art and how external objects are
    used & referenced by artists, so I'm tempted to ask what the
    difference is between building the page that you did vs straight up
    linking to it... Or maybe that's what you feel you did...?

    marisa

    On 2/10/06, carlos katastrofsky <carlos.katastrofsky@gmx.net> wrote:
    > http://aqua.subnet.at/carlos/projekte/netart/404_poor/
    >
    > thinking about some statistics regarding internet access and wealth...
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  • carlos katastrofsky | Sat Feb 11th 2006 10:56 a.m.
    hi,

    mmmh... this piece is just a sketch of thoughts that come up sometimes:
    art and computer related art especially is always linked to wealth... we
    all know this and this is obviously accepted by us all.
    but sometimes this makes me think...

    about the link in this page:
    i think it's not definitely necessary for the piece but the linked site
    tells you the current state of affairs and (imho), by that, says something
    about the development of the piece's message.

    > I like the irony of this page being used in an art project, and
    > referring to itself (it, an external component of the artwork) as "The
    > Big Picture." :)

    thanks...

    [...]

    > questions of what is/ isn't art and how external objects are
    > used & referenced by artists, so I'm tempted to ask what the
    > difference is between building the page that you did vs straight up
    > linking to it... Or maybe that's what you feel you did...?

    i build the page simply because this statuscode normally says something
    like "...was not found on this server" which i thought would not be strong
    enough.

    i don't consider it to be an artwork because this page was built by me...
    i think it's the whole thing- the concept and the page, regardless whoever
    it made or even if it was not made by anyone (like generative works)- what
    makes an artwork. and, of course, the impact on the viewer.

    thanks for the link to the mp3 of the panel...

    regards,
    carlos

    >
    > marisa
    >
    >
    > On 2/10/06, carlos katastrofsky <carlos.katastrofsky@gmx.net> wrote:
    >> http://aqua.subnet.at/carlos/projekte/netart/404_poor/
    >>
    >> thinking about some statistics regarding internet access and wealth...
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  • Geert Dekkers | Sat Feb 11th 2006 11:34 a.m.
    Hi

    The stats6.htm page won't render -- the "<style>" tag isn't closed.....

    Geert
    http://nznl.com

    On 11-feb-2006, at 18:56, carlos katastrofsky wrote:

    > hi,
    >
    > mmmh... this piece is just a sketch of thoughts that come up
    > sometimes:
    > art and computer related art especially is always linked to
    > wealth... we all know this and this is obviously accepted by us all.
    > but sometimes this makes me think...
    >
    > about the link in this page:
    > i think it's not definitely necessary for the piece but the linked
    > site tells you the current state of affairs and (imho), by that,
    > says something about the development of the piece's message.
    >
    >> I like the irony of this page being used in an art project, and
    >> referring to itself (it, an external component of the artwork) as
    >> "The
    >> Big Picture." :)
    >
    > thanks...
    >
    > [...]
    >
    >> questions of what is/ isn't art and how external objects are
    >> used & referenced by artists, so I'm tempted to ask what the
    >> difference is between building the page that you did vs straight up
    >> linking to it... Or maybe that's what you feel you did...?
    >
    > i build the page simply because this statuscode normally says
    > something like "...was not found on this server" which i thought
    > would not be strong enough.
    >
    > i don't consider it to be an artwork because this page was built by
    > me... i think it's the whole thing- the concept and the page,
    > regardless whoever it made or even if it was not made by anyone
    > (like generative works)- what makes an artwork. and, of course, the
    > impact on the viewer.
    >
    > thanks for the link to the mp3 of the panel...
    >
    > regards,
    > carlos
    >
    >>
    >> marisa
    >>
    >>
    >> On 2/10/06, carlos katastrofsky <carlos.katastrofsky@gmx.net> wrote:
    >>> http://aqua.subnet.at/carlos/projekte/netart/404_poor/
    >>>
    >>> thinking about some statistics regarding internet access and
    >>> wealth...
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