10 questions a net.artist has to be aware of

Posted by carlos katastrofsky | Mon Nov 7th 2005 8:10 a.m.

1) what is it?
2) why is it art?
3) is programming art?
4) why are you doing that?
5) who is paying for such a s**t ?
6) do you make a lot of money with your art?
7) are you famous?
8) what are you talking about?
9) are you a hacker ? (read: are you a criminal/ terrorist?)
10) have you ever had sex?

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  • Plasma Studii | Mon Nov 7th 2005 10:45 a.m.
    seems like your kidding, but kinda not kidding. seriously, i actually
    don't think any of these questions should be answered until AFTER
    several years of making "net.art". like kids discouraging themselves
    by saying "this finger painting is bad". practice and you get better.
    don't discourage practicing. computers and the web are just more
    materials to get used to. and so few appear used to them even still.

    but the need to put it out there is really dubious.

    the litmus test questions are really: why distribute it? what is there
    to gain from this particular piece for not only the artist, but the
    audience? would my grandmother enjoy this or ask "what is it"? if not
    her, are they people who think like me/have the same
    perspectives/assumptions or an audience of people outside my supportive
    club?

    everything has a target audience, whether we intend it or not. so the
    first thing we learn is that that audience doesn't have to be
    OURSELVES. and then we practice, we gradually learn to identify,
    listen. understand that audience. i'm still on that path, but far
    further than i was 5 years ago. i've been learning for 10+ years now,
    and it never ends.

    and it's a good challenge to work within, that non practicing
    "net.artists" generally don't sympathize or "get" the web/computers.
    people should feel free to experiment and play, without all this
    encouragement to show everyone. when everyone is fluent in programming
    (just the words you type to tell those grey boxes you sit with ever day
    what you want from them), people will "get" more. those people should
    play too, without the goal of being "an artist".

    instead, all too often "net.artists" go for the easy option and pick an
    ideal audience, often pretty much just themselves. finding words for
    and about the art is counter-productive. never mind what it is, if
    eventually you are going to make things people are interested in.

    On Nov 7, 2005, at 4:10 PM, carlos katastrofsky wrote:

    > 1) what is it?
    > 2) why is it art?
    > 3) is programming art?
    > 4) why are you doing that?
    > 5) who is paying for such a s**t ?
    > 6) do you make a lot of money with your art?
    > 7) are you famous?
    > 8) what are you talking about?
    > 9) are you a hacker ? (read: are you a criminal/ terrorist?)
    > 10) have you ever had sex?
    >
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  • Regina Pinto | Mon Nov 7th 2005 4:15 p.m.
    Hello,

    Read the article:

    "The Web.Artist Craft: some considerations" at:

    http://www.sporkworld.org//index.php

    and browser at: http://arteonline.arq.br/web_art_considerations/ to visit a
    work in progress about this subject.

    Best regards,

    Regina Celia Pinto

    http://arteonline.arq.br/
    http://arteonline.arq.br/library.htm

    New Works:

    http://arteonline.arq.br/magic_walls/
    http://arteonline.arq.br/eva/
    http://arteonline.arq.br/ducks/

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "judsoN" <office@plasmastudii.org>
    To: "carlos katastrofsky" <carlos.katastrofsky@gmx.net>; "Rhizome listserv"
    <list@rhizome.org>
    Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 3:45 PM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: 10 questions a net.artist has to be aware of

    > seems like your kidding, but kinda not kidding. seriously, i actually
    > don't think any of these questions should be answered until AFTER several
    > years of making "net.art". like kids discouraging themselves by saying
    > "this finger painting is bad". practice and you get better. don't
    > discourage practicing. computers and the web are just more materials to
    > get used to. and so few appear used to them even still.
    >
    > but the need to put it out there is really dubious.
    >
    >
    > the litmus test questions are really: why distribute it? what is there to
    > gain from this particular piece for not only the artist, but the audience?
    > would my grandmother enjoy this or ask "what is it"? if not her, are they
    > people who think like me/have the same perspectives/assumptions or an
    > audience of people outside my supportive club?
    >
    > everything has a target audience, whether we intend it or not. so the
    > first thing we learn is that that audience doesn't have to be OURSELVES.
    > and then we practice, we gradually learn to identify, listen. understand
    > that audience. i'm still on that path, but far further than i was 5 years
    > ago. i've been learning for 10+ years now, and it never ends.
    >
    >
    > and it's a good challenge to work within, that non practicing
    > "net.artists" generally don't sympathize or "get" the web/computers.
    > people should feel free to experiment and play, without all this
    > encouragement to show everyone. when everyone is fluent in programming
    > (just the words you type to tell those grey boxes you sit with ever day
    > what you want from them), people will "get" more. those people should
    > play too, without the goal of being "an artist".
    >
    > instead, all too often "net.artists" go for the easy option and pick an
    > ideal audience, often pretty much just themselves. finding words for and
    > about the art is counter-productive. never mind what it is, if eventually
    > you are going to make things people are interested in.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Nov 7, 2005, at 4:10 PM, carlos katastrofsky wrote:
    >
    >> 1) what is it?
    >> 2) why is it art?
    >> 3) is programming art?
    >> 4) why are you doing that?
    >> 5) who is paying for such a s**t ?
    >> 6) do you make a lot of money with your art?
    >> 7) are you famous?
    >> 8) what are you talking about?
    >> 9) are you a hacker ? (read: are you a criminal/ terrorist?)
    >> 10) have you ever had sex?
    >>
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  • patrick lichty | Tue Nov 8th 2005 9:20 a.m.
    Interesting questions, but almost too much like a net.chainmail.
    Here goes:

    1) what is it?
    Depends on your context, the way you look at it, etc.
    I can only go half way on this - the rest is up to you.

    2) why is it art?
    To paraphrase Cage, "What else would it be?"

    3) is programming art?
    Some programming is art, but not all art is programming.

    4) why are you doing that?
    Because I can't see myself doing many other things with such conviction.

    5) who is paying for such a s**t ?
    The two asterisks leave open a lot of words. Shit, Shot, Slut, Shut,
    Slot, Scot, Spot (my favorite), Spit, Spat, Scat...
    I am - as usual.

    6) do you make a lot of money with your art?
    Occasionally, but not lately.

    7) are you famous?
    Sometimes, but a lot of people don't realize it's me.

    8) what are you talking about?
    Again, depends on the context. Futures of grad students, synnoetics,
    codes and deconstruction, transhumanism, Spinach pie, djembe drumming,
    multiple human/machine languages, culture jamming, VJ culture, my cat's
    illness, and so on.

    What are you talking about in asking this?

    9) are you a hacker ? (read: are you a criminal/ terrorist?)
    Would I really tell you if I were? Not the best question.
    Also, hacking is not necessarily criminal. Look at makezine.com.

    10) have you ever had sex?
    Sure, after I quite my job at Wal-Mart as a stock boy, dropped my
    Ritchie book on C programming, and quit the Star Trek club...

    Another odd question. Why should I say so?
    Ask my wife. She's the best judge of this.
  • Luis Silva | Tue Nov 8th 2005 10:57 a.m.
    Why should a net artist be awareof these questions?

    I think I am missing the point

    :P

    michael kargl wrote:

    > 1) what is it?
    > 2) why is it art?
    > 3) is programming art?
    > 4) why are you doing that?
    > 5) who is paying for such a s**t ?
    > 6) do you make a lot of money with your art?
    > 7) are you famous?
    > 8) what are you talking about?
    > 9) are you a hacker ? (read: are you a criminal/ terrorist?)
    > 10) have you ever had sex?
    >
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  • patrick lichty | Tue Nov 8th 2005 11:44 a.m.
    Exactly!
    A lot of that figures in the way I answered the questions.

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    Why should a net artist be awareof these questions?

    I think I am missing the point

    :P

    michael kargl wrote:

    > 1) what is it?
    > 2) why is it art?
    > 3) is programming art?
    > 4) why are you doing that?
    > 5) who is paying for such a s**t ?
    > 6) do you make a lot of money with your art?
    > 7) are you famous?
    > 8) what are you talking about?
    > 9) are you a hacker ? (read: are you a criminal/ terrorist?)
    > 10) have you ever had sex?
    >
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  • carlos katastrofsky | Tue Nov 8th 2005 12:54 p.m.
    this was a kind of an emotional statement, partly to the readers, partly to myself. sometimes i'm missing questions that people on the street would ask, so i asked myself which questions this could be and which cliches are around this type of art...
    so, to me it's like this:
    1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 are standard questions about works from the art - field
    3, 9, 10 are more related to net (or even web-) art.
    (two notes:
    9) i personally don't think a hacker is a criminal - far away from that. but normally for most of the people it's like hacker = cracker = bad = ...
    10) deals with the "nerd" - cliche: people sitting in front of their computers with no contacts to the "real" world)
    (surely these 10 questions are not enough, but it was just a momentary reaction)

    and, yes: judsoN, i think you said much of what i am not able to say this way (my english, writing skills...)

    thanks for reacting!

    regards,
    carlos

    > Why should a net artist be awareof these questions?
    >
    > I think I am missing the point
    >
    > :P
    >
    > michael kargl wrote:
    >
    > > 1) what is it?
    > > 2) why is it art?
    > > 3) is programming art?
    > > 4) why are you doing that?
    > > 5) who is paying for such a s**t ?
    > > 6) do you make a lot of money with your art?
    > > 7) are you famous?
    > > 8) what are you talking about?
    > > 9) are you a hacker ? (read: are you a criminal/ terrorist?)
    > > 10) have you ever had sex?
    > >
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  • Lee Wells | Tue Nov 8th 2005 7:20 p.m.
    Is it just as nerdy to be a painter or writer that locks themselves up in
    their studio.

    The internet also does add up to some very personal sexual experiences.

    On 11/8/05 8:00 PM, "carlos katastrofsky" <carlos.katastrofsky@gmx.net>
    wrote:

    > this was a kind of an emotional statement, partly to the readers, partly to
    > myself. sometimes i'm missing questions that people on the street would ask,
    > so i asked myself which questions this could be and which cliches are around
    > this type of art...
    > so, to me it's like this:
    > 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 are standard questions about works from the art - field
    > 3, 9, 10 are more related to net (or even web-) art.
    > (two notes:
    > 9) i personally don't think a hacker is a criminal - far away from that. but
    > normally for most of the people it's like hacker = cracker = bad = ...
    > 10) deals with the "nerd" - cliche: people sitting in front of their computers
    > with no contacts to the "real" world)
    > (surely these 10 questions are not enough, but it was just a momentary
    > reaction)
    >
    > and, yes: judsoN, i think you said much of what i am not able to say this way
    > (my english, writing skills...)
    >
    > thanks for reacting!
    >
    > regards,
    > carlos
    >
    >
    >> Why should a net artist be awareof these questions?
    >>
    >> I think I am missing the point
    >>
    >> :P
    >>
    >> michael kargl wrote:
    >>
    >>> 1) what is it?
    >>> 2) why is it art?
    >>> 3) is programming art?
    >>> 4) why are you doing that?
    >>> 5) who is paying for such a s**t ?
    >>> 6) do you make a lot of money with your art?
    >>> 7) are you famous?
    >>> 8) what are you talking about?
    >>> 9) are you a hacker ? (read: are you a criminal/ terrorist?)
    >>> 10) have you ever had sex?
    >>>
    >>> ----------------------------------
    >>> http://tinyurl.com/dc655
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