we are conditioned by our apparatus" flusser
"the medium is the message?" mcluhan
"genohype" oron katz SymbioticA
"i don't mind if a software program is making art, as long as there is a
software program to read it for me and tell me if i liked it", christian
"the only spirit i believe in is distilled in Scotland" komninos
"the reason computers will never replace poets is that computers wont take
that much shit" charles bernstein
"as soon as it has a name it is romantic" komninos
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To: Jim Andrews <firstname.lastname@example.org
From: giselle beiguelman <email@example.com
Sent by: firstname.lastname@example.org
Date: 20/09/2005 08:04PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Call for Proposals at Readme 100 Software Art
so good to restart
(off topic: the cows -- not ours -- but those of the cow parade -- are
all around sao paulo! a moooo for you)
technoshamanism: (Sorry for the "x". it's portuenglish....)
this is the hype. the trend and i can't stand trendies and trendism.
following them, you "receive" your "to_do list".
give me a break. i don't. i work too hard and i do not receive
anything and because of this i can not just tell someone to do this
and that for tomorrow. i think machines are real participants, i
believe (in) error messages, i trust computers and their indifference
to my targets and passions.
so tecnoshamanism, the global cortex, the cyberthing does not make
sense for me (and for my senses)
in what concerns the other question, i will quote Flusser again and
agree with you:
we are conditioned by our apparatus.
2005/9/20, Jim Andrews <email@example.com>:
> > come on, lee, do you think that the mouse is just another kind of
> > i'm sure you don't.
> > so let's put this way:
> > it is impossible to talk about digital art without understanding that
> > *it is digital* and this means: to be conscious that we work not just
> > with code -- what is a too broad term and not a concept -- but with
> > programming languages.
> > and language is a virus (ins't it?)
> > the idea that you can always hire someone to do the "boring part" of
> > the work is a romantic idea. inspiration does not match with media
> > creation. otherwise we will bet on tecnoxamanism...
> well said, giselle.
> could you please expand on your last sentence? why is it that "otherwise
> will bet on" technoshamanism? what is it and why do we otherwise bet on
> "inspiration does not match with media creation". in writing, much
> in the process of writing. the most boring things to write (and read) are
> pre-configured ideas that you simply write out. same with working in
> arts. Because so much happens in the act of writing or painting, ie,
> through the ideas and implications and previously unrealized associations
> and consequences of the initial impetus. through the process of
> creation/writing/whatever. in my experience, this is also true of
> computer programs as works of art.
> some programmers who work for artists treat the artist like any other
> of client, ie, give them what they want, don't be too critical, they're
> paying the bill. usually this results in bad art. or it doesn't 'work for
> me', anyway. then again, i'm out of work!
> very interesting to read in this thread some thoughts and feelings on the
> tensions of this relation. hopefully it allows both artist and
> programmer--and programmer-artist--to see personal situations reflected
> general shapes that affect art and life--and jobs, working relations--and
> the notion of an art of programming beyond Knuth's conception of it.
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