both ways? nike+batman

Posted by Plasma Studii | Fri Aug 19th 2005 9:23 a.m.

intellectual property" is just silly. no matter who claims it.

dumb dc comics ...
>http://newsgrist.typepad.com/underbelly/2005/08/artnet_news_aug.html

... = dumb rock star
> http://www.emergentbehaviour.org/?p7

how come it's pretty easy to discard the belief santa clause exists, and yet people still get
huffy about copyright? what would change their minds? there are alternatives (not that any
are needed), old enough proofs from varying schools/perspectives (neurology, post-
modernism, ...)?

i gave up comic books as a kid when a cute girl said they were childish. maybe if enough
cute people spoke out against copyright, these bean counters would change their ways.

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  • Pall Thayer | Fri Aug 19th 2005 10:35 a.m.
    On 19.8.2005, at 11:22, Plasma Studii wrote:

    > "intellectual property" is just silly. no matter who claims it.
    >

    That sounds like a really silly statement. Tell us what's silly about
    intellectual property?

    pall

    > dumb dc comics ...
    >
    >> http://newsgrist.typepad.com/underbelly/2005/08/artnet_news_aug.html
    >>
    >
    > ... = dumb rock star
    >
    >> http://www.emergentbehaviour.org/?p7
    >>
    >
    > how come it's pretty easy to discard the belief santa clause
    > exists, and yet people still get
    > huffy about copyright? what would change their minds? there are
    > alternatives (not that any
    > are needed), old enough proofs from varying schools/perspectives
    > (neurology, post-
    > modernism, ...)?
    >
    > i gave up comic books as a kid when a cute girl said they were
    > childish. maybe if enough
    > cute people spoke out against copyright, these bean counters would
    > change their ways.
    >
    >
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  • ryan griffis | Fri Aug 19th 2005 10:43 a.m.
    On Aug 19, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Plasma Studii wrote:

    > "intellectual property" is just silly. no matter who claims it.
    >
    > dumb dc comics ...
    >> http://newsgrist.typepad.com/underbelly/2005/08/artnet_news_aug.html
    >
    > ... = dumb rock star
    >> http://www.emergentbehaviour.org/?p7

    not that it matters, but for Dischord it's not an IP issue but a
    branding issue. for their audience, any link to Nike is kind of a
    problem. which the smarter than average folks at Nike figured out after
    a few hundred emails (see their apology:
    http://www.nike.com/nikeskateboarding/v2/main.html ). and to say IP is
    silly is to minimize the potential and real economic imbalance that
    gives incentives to large corps that can take (and actually copyright
    themselves) the work of others to sell stuff. sure, you can say, "well
    they shouldn't be able to claim ownership of anything either," but that
    would just be ignoring the current reality that is not going to
    evaporate anytime soon. Monsanto is winning legal cases where their
    product is contaminating other farmers' fields, mandating that those
    farmers have to buy the trademarked seed now, for God's sake.
    Ian MacKaye has gone on record (in a couple of recent interviews)
    saying that he doesn't usually go through the courts to resolve such
    conflicts. and it seems to be a more effective and less expensive
    approach. doesn't sound too dumb to me.
  • Eryk Salvaggio | Fri Aug 19th 2005 10:40 p.m.
    Intellectual Property isn't a silly idea, it's just too heavy for a spider
    web to support for very long.

    When we are working in a networked environment- and we all are- the
    distribution of intellectual property becomes unwieldy. It would be foolish
    at this point to pretend it will exist in 10 to 20 years. We will be
    cultural producers working on cultural products, by for and with. You will
    not be recognized for the production of an artwork- you will be recognized
    for your contribution to the culture of the artwork you're contributing to.
    In a far more direct way, the community you work in is going to become very
    important.

    Whether it is good or bad (it's both) has nothing to do with it: your
    property is being seized and redistributed.

    -e.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Pall Thayer" <p_thay@alcor.concordia.ca>
    To: "Plasma Studii" <office@plasmastudii.org>
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    Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:35 PM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: both ways? nike+batman

    >
    >
    > On 19.8.2005, at 11:22, Plasma Studii wrote:
    >
    >> "intellectual property" is just silly. no matter who claims it.
    >>
    >
    > That sounds like a really silly statement. Tell us what's silly about
    > intellectual property?
    >
    > pall
    >
    >> dumb dc comics ...
    >>
    >>> http://newsgrist.typepad.com/underbelly/2005/08/artnet_news_aug.html
    >>>
    >>
    >> ... = dumb rock star
    >>
    >>> http://www.emergentbehaviour.org/?p7
    >>>
    >>
    >> how come it's pretty easy to discard the belief santa clause exists, and
    >> yet people still get
    >> huffy about copyright? what would change their minds? there are
    >> alternatives (not that any
    >> are needed), old enough proofs from varying schools/perspectives
    >> (neurology, post-
    >> modernism, ...)?
    >>
    >> i gave up comic books as a kid when a cute girl said they were childish.
    >> maybe if enough
    >> cute people spoke out against copyright, these bean counters would
    >> change their ways.
    >>
    >>
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  • Eric Dymond | Fri Aug 19th 2005 11:14 p.m.
    Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
    > Whether it is good or bad (it's both) has nothing to do with it: your
    > property is being seized and redistributed.
    or it is going to be viral, infective and alter the culture that tries to consume it.
    Eric
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