eh?

Posted by Pall Thayer | Wed Jun 1st 2005 2:57 a.m.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?idu91

Are these people for real?!?

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  • Geert Dekkers | Wed Jun 1st 2005 11:10 a.m.
    Which is exactly what I meant when the subject of ID buzzed by a couple
    of weeks ago -- sit back and grin you may (but you're not grinning,
    smirking or smiling, are you Pall), but the list of judges tells me
    this is no laughing matter.

    Is quite interesting to see how cliche it all is...

    Cheers
    Geert
    http://nznl.com

    On 1-jun-05, at 10:57, Pall Thayer wrote:

    > http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?idu91
    >
    > Are these people for real?!?
    >
    > --
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    > artist/teacher
    > http://www.this.is/pallit
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    >
    > Lorna
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  • Geert Dekkers | Wed Jun 1st 2005 11:13 a.m.
    An afterthought -- nothing published since 1970 seems to bother them --
    also tells you something about their reading habits...

    Geert

    On 1-jun-05, at 10:57, Pall Thayer wrote:

    > http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?idu91
    >
    > Are these people for real?!?
    >
    > --
    > _______________________________
    > Pall Thayer
    > artist/teacher
    > http://www.this.is/pallit
    > http://pallit.lhi.is/panse
    >
    > Lorna
    > http://www.this.is/lorna
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  • Pall Thayer | Wed Jun 1st 2005 11:50 a.m.
    Actually, I am smiling but that's mostly because I'm a generally happy
    person. The thing that really gets me about that list is seeing John
    Dewey and Betty Friedan there. Calling these books harmful is... well...
    weird. Teaching people to understand instead of mimic is harmful?
    Telling women that they don't have to spend their lives in the kitchen
    is harmful? Reminds me of when I was in junior high-school in Minot,
    North Dakota and the school-board banned Newsweek from the school
    library because there was a picture of Michelangelo's David. Marble
    pee-pee's are harmful.

    Geert Dekkers wrote:
    > Which is exactly what I meant when the subject of ID buzzed by a couple
    > of weeks ago -- sit back and grin you may (but you're not grinning,
    > smirking or smiling, are you Pall), but the list of judges tells me this
    > is no laughing matter.
    >
    > Is quite interesting to see how cliche it all is...
    >
    > Cheers
    > Geert
    > http://nznl.com
    >
    >
    > On 1-jun-05, at 10:57, Pall Thayer wrote:
    >
    >> http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?idu91
    >>
    >> Are these people for real?!?
    >>
    >> --
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    >> http://www.this.is/pallit
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  • Jessica Ivins | Wed Jun 1st 2005 1:30 p.m.
    Did anyone else notice that Darwin's 'Origin of the Species' made their
    honorable mention list? Ugh.

    Jess

    > Actually, I am smiling but that's mostly because I'm a generally happy
    > person. The thing that really gets me about that list is seeing John
    > Dewey and Betty Friedan there. Calling these books harmful is... well...
    > weird. Teaching people to understand instead of mimic is harmful?
    > Telling women that they don't have to spend their lives in the kitchen
    > is harmful? Reminds me of when I was in junior high-school in Minot,
    > North Dakota and the school-board banned Newsweek from the school
    > library because there was a picture of Michelangelo's David. Marble
    > pee-pee's are harmful.
    >
    > Geert Dekkers wrote:
    >> Which is exactly what I meant when the subject of ID buzzed by a couple
    >> of weeks ago -- sit back and grin you may (but you're not grinning,
    >> smirking or smiling, are you Pall), but the list of judges tells me this
    >> is no laughing matter.
    >>
    >> Is quite interesting to see how cliche it all is...
    >>
    >> Cheers
    >> Geert
    >> http://nznl.com
    >>
    >>
    >> On 1-jun-05, at 10:57, Pall Thayer wrote:
    >>
    >>> http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?idu91
    >>>
    >>> Are these people for real?!?
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> _______________________________
    >>> Pall Thayer
    >>> artist/teacher
    >>> http://www.this.is/pallit
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  • Plasma Studii | Wed Jun 1st 2005 2:53 p.m.
    >Did anyone else notice that Darwin's 'Origin of the Species' made their
    >honorable mention list? Ugh.
    >
    >Jess

    more proof they didn't read it. mostly OoS is a catalogue of
    observations of phenomena that were curiously (to darwin) counter to
    what folks believed at the time. the book is not explicit about a
    theory of Evolution, though throughout the next 100 years or so,
    that's what is reinterpreted and accredited to chuck.

    >An afterthought -- nothing published since 1970 seems to bother them
    >-- also tells you something about their reading habits...
    >
    >Geert

    or lack thereof.

    these are all books they would have heard about from places besides
    book shelves. doubt any of these judges had actually read any of em,
    harmless examples of historical hype far outshining the actual print.
    of the books i knew, the summaries were pretty off. whoever wrote
    these, must not have actually read the books either.

    odd phenomenon then! what compels these people to make a list of
    ideas they want you to be scared of? it's assumed the books were
    scary and then they listed them. but nooooo!? they are actually
    scared, determined to make you scared and THEN go on to pretend there
    are a list of scary ideas to explain some threatened feeling. the
    books themselves can't actually be what's so scary because they've
    just never dealt with more than the cover, the veneer, the label, the
    hype. but they will vehemently argue about their determination of
    what SHOULD scare people. they blame things like books.

    some people are just hopelessly high strung, always scared and need
    an explanation other than chemical imbalance. they just can't see
    shadows without thinking something's hiding in them, waiting to
    spring. screws up your ability to just see clearly. unfortunately,
    the US is becoming sort of a peer support group for paranoid
    schizophrenics.

    (might also just be a weird marketing scheme. i see suburban
    housewives clicking the forbidden links to amazon.)

    >
    >> Actually, I am smiling but that's mostly because I'm a generally happy
    >> person. The thing that really gets me about that list is seeing John
    >> Dewey and Betty Friedan there. Calling these books harmful is... well...
    >> weird. Teaching people to understand instead of mimic is harmful?
    >> Telling women that they don't have to spend their lives in the kitchen
    >> is harmful? Reminds me of when I was in junior high-school in Minot,
    >> North Dakota and the school-board banned Newsweek from the school
    >> library because there was a picture of Michelangelo's David. Marble
    >> pee-pee's are harmful.
    >>
    >> Geert Dekkers wrote:
    >>> Which is exactly what I meant when the subject of ID buzzed by a couple
    >>> of weeks ago -- sit back and grin you may (but you're not grinning,
    >>> smirking or smiling, are you Pall), but the list of judges tells me this
    >>> is no laughing matter.
    >>>
    >>> Is quite interesting to see how cliche it all is...
    >>>
    >>> Cheers
    >>> Geert
    >>> http://nznl.com
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 1-jun-05, at 10:57, Pall Thayer wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?idu91
    >>>>
    >>>> Are these people for real?!?
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> _______________________________
    >>>> Pall Thayer
    >>>> artist/teacher
    >>>> http://www.this.is/pallit
    >>>> http://pallit.lhi.is/panse
    >>>>
    >>>> Lorna
    >>>> http://www.this.is/lorna
    >>>> _______________________________
    >>>> +
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    >>
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    >> http://www.this.is/pallit
    >> http://pallit.lhi.is/panse
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    >
    >
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  • curt cloninger | Wed Jun 1st 2005 5:37 p.m.
    Hi all,

    Here is a more comprehensive 50 worst and 50 best list:
    http://www.isi.org/journals/ir/50best_worst/index.html

    The short synopses of the works are just that -- short synopses. They are unapolagetically belligerent because the judges are picking a fight which they hope will lead to a reconsideration of "the canon."

    Neither set of judges are dummies. I'm sure they are conversant with these texts and could readily delineate the impact these texts have had on western culture from their perspectives. They just fundamentally disagree with the boilerplate "progressive/enlightened" liberal world view we've inherited and are unwilling to accept it as beneficially progressive.

    Might someone clearly understand the nuances of your world view and still choose not to subscribe to it (yea, even take some pot shots at it) without being rotely dismissed as a small-minded, barely literate simpleton? Is such an outcome possible?

    peace,
    curt

    +++++++++

    Pall Thayer wrote:

    > http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?idu91
    >
    > Are these people for real?!?
    >
    > --
    > _______________________________
    > Pall Thayer
    > artist/teacher
    > http://www.this.is/pallit
    > http://pallit.lhi.is/panse
    >
    > Lorna
    > http://www.this.is/lorna
    > _______________________________
  • Plasma Studii | Wed Jun 1st 2005 6:46 p.m.
    >Might someone clearly understand the nuances of your world view and
    >still choose not to subscribe to it (yea, even take some pot shots
    >at it) without being rotely dismissed as a small-minded, barely
    >literate simpleton? Is such an outcome possible?
    >
    >peace,
    >curt

    definitely. and that's why barbara boxer makes a good case against
    computer art. we don't need to agree to get her logic.
  • marc garrett | Wed Jun 1st 2005 7:27 p.m.
    stop being such a liberal Curt - they conservastive scum and we all know
    it ;-)

    marc

    >Hi all,
    >
    >Here is a more comprehensive 50 worst and 50 best list:
    >http://www.isi.org/journals/ir/50best_worst/index.html
    >
    >The short synopses of the works are just that -- short synopses. They are unapolagetically belligerent because the judges are picking a fight which they hope will lead to a reconsideration of "the canon."
    >
    >Neither set of judges are dummies. I'm sure they are conversant with these texts and could readily delineate the impact these texts have had on western culture from their perspectives. They just fundamentally disagree with the boilerplate "progressive/enlightened" liberal world view we've inherited and are unwilling to accept it as beneficially progressive.
    >
    >Might someone clearly understand the nuances of your world view and still choose not to subscribe to it (yea, even take some pot shots at it) without being rotely dismissed as a small-minded, barely literate simpleton? Is such an outcome possible?
    >
    >peace,
    >curt
    >
    >+++++++++
    >
    >Pall Thayer wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?idu91
    >>
    >>Are these people for real?!?
    >>
    >>--
    >>_______________________________
    >>Pall Thayer
    >>artist/teacher
    >>http://www.this.is/pallit
    >>http://pallit.lhi.is/panse
    >>
    >>Lorna
    >>http://www.this.is/lorna
    >>_______________________________
    >>
    >>
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  • joseph mcelroy | Wed Jun 1st 2005 8:14 p.m.
    not really

    joseph

    curt cloninger wrote:

    >Hi all,
    >
    >Here is a more comprehensive 50 worst and 50 best list:
    >http://www.isi.org/journals/ir/50best_worst/index.html
    >
    >The short synopses of the works are just that -- short synopses. They are unapolagetically belligerent because the judges are picking a fight which they hope will lead to a reconsideration of "the canon."
    >
    >Neither set of judges are dummies. I'm sure they are conversant with these texts and could readily delineate the impact these texts have had on western culture from their perspectives. They just fundamentally disagree with the boilerplate "progressive/enlightened" liberal world view we've inherited and are unwilling to accept it as beneficially progressive.
    >
    >Might someone clearly understand the nuances of your world view and still choose not to subscribe to it (yea, even take some pot shots at it) without being rotely dismissed as a small-minded, barely literate simpleton? Is such an outcome possible?
    >
    >peace,
    >curt
    >
    >+++++++++
    >
    >Pall Thayer wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?idu91
    >>
    >>Are these people for real?!?
    >>
    >>--
    >>_______________________________
    >>Pall Thayer
    >>artist/teacher
    >>http://www.this.is/pallit
    >>http://pallit.lhi.is/panse
    >>
    >>Lorna
    >>http://www.this.is/lorna
    >>_______________________________
    >>
    >>
    >+
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  • Jim Andrews | Wed Jun 1st 2005 8:58 p.m.
    This is what they say of one of Galbraith's books:

    John Kenneth Galbraith, The Affluent Society (1958)
    Made Americans dissatisfied with the ineradicable fact of poverty. Led to
    foolish public policies that produced the hell that was the 1960s.

    Now there's a terrible thing to have done, 'made Americans dissatisfied with
    the ineradicable fact of poverty.' While it may be that, in a capitalist
    society, some amount of poverty is 'ineradicable', the gap between the rich
    and the poor does not have to be as dramatic as it has become since the
    Reagan era. To be satisfied with the extent of poverty in the USA and the
    obscene gulf between the opportunities available to the rich and the poor
    strikes me as the sort of oppressive mentality that people tried to escape
    in coming to the 'new world'.

    I was born in 1959, so I was pretty young during the sixties. But my friends
    have usually been older than me, 'children of the sixties', whereas I was
    but a kid in the sixties. Raising questions about social justice and acting
    strongly and generously on these are the hallmark of that generation. They
    were not satisfied that poverty was ineradicable and many of them tried
    valiantly to do something about it. The sixties were a time of incredible
    social ferment, artistic innovation, and social progress, in many ways.
    This should not be discounted.

    The apathy and smug satisfaction that followed with the suffering of others
    seems more to me like hell. Galbraith is one of the shining and generous
    figures of enlightenment. To read him cast as a fool is chilling.

    ja

    > Here is a more comprehensive 50 worst and 50 best list:
    > http://www.isi.org/journals/ir/50best_worst/index.html
  • Patrick Simons | Fri Jun 3rd 2005 6:57 a.m.
    Hi Geert

    More like nothing since the enlightenment!

    This is kind of pre modernism, but I think it might also be (US) dominant culture. Now that is serious.

    Patrick

    G9

    Geert Dekkers wrote:

    > An afterthought -- nothing published since 1970 seems to bother them
    > --
    > also tells you something about their reading habits...
    >
    > Geert
    >
    > On 1-jun-05, at 10:57, Pall Thayer wrote:
    >
    > > http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?idu91
    > >
    > > Are these people for real?!?
    > >
    > > --
    > > _______________________________
    > > Pall Thayer
    > > artist/teacher
    > > http://www.this.is/pallit
    > > http://pallit.lhi.is/panse
    > >
    > > Lorna
    > > http://www.this.is/lorna
    > > _______________________________
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  • curt cloninger | Sun Jun 5th 2005 11:37 a.m.
    Hi all,

    Here is a more comprehensive 50 worst and 50 best list:
    http://www.isi.org/journals/ir/50best_worst/index.html

    The short synopses of the works are just that -- short synopses. They are unapolagetically belligerent because the judges are picking a fight which they hope will lead to a reconsideration of "the canon."

    Neither set of judges are dummies. I'm sure they are conversant with these texts and could readily delineate the impact these texts have had on western culture from their perspectives. They just fundamentally disagree with the boilerplate "progressive/enlightened" liberal world view we've inherited and are unwilling to accept it as beneficially progressive.

    Might someone clearly understand the nuances of your world view and still choose not to subscribe to it (yea, even take some pot shots at it) without being rotely dismissed as a small-minded, barely literate simpleton? Is such an outcome possible?

    peace,
    curt

    +++++++++

    Pall Thayer wrote:

    > http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?idu91
    >
    > Are these people for real?!?
    >
    > --
    > _______________________________
    > Pall Thayer
    > artist/teacher
    > http://www.this.is/pallit
    > http://pallit.lhi.is/panse
    >
    > Lorna
    > http://www.this.is/lorna
    > _______________________________
    +
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  • joseph mcelroy | Sun Jun 5th 2005 4:03 p.m.
    not really

    joseph

    curt cloninger wrote:

    >Hi all,
    >
    >Here is a more comprehensive 50 worst and 50 best list:
    >http://www.isi.org/journals/ir/50best_worst/index.html
    >
    >The short synopses of the works are just that -- short synopses. They are unapolagetically belligerent because the judges are picking a fight which they hope will lead to a reconsideration of "the canon."
    >
    >Neither set of judges are dummies. I'm sure they are conversant with these texts and could readily delineate the impact these texts have had on western culture from their perspectives. They just fundamentally disagree with the boilerplate "progressive/enlightened" liberal world view we've inherited and are unwilling to accept it as beneficially progressive.
    >
    >Might someone clearly understand the nuances of your world view and still choose not to subscribe to it (yea, even take some pot shots at it) without being rotely dismissed as a small-minded, barely literate simpleton? Is such an outcome possible?
    >
    >peace,
    >curt
    >
    >+++++++++
    >
    >Pall Thayer wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?idu91
    >>
    >>Are these people for real?!?
    >>
    >>--
    >>_______________________________
    >>Pall Thayer
    >>artist/teacher
    >>http://www.this.is/pallit
    >>http://pallit.lhi.is/panse
    >>
    >>Lorna
    >>http://www.this.is/lorna
    >>_______________________________
    >>
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  • curt cloninger | Thu Jun 9th 2005 9:57 a.m.
    Hi all,

    Here is a more comprehensive 50 worst and 50 best list:
    http://www.isi.org/journals/ir/50best_worst/index.html

    The short synopses of the works are just that -- short synopses. They are unapolagetically belligerent because the judges are picking a fight which they hope will lead to a reconsideration of "the canon."

    Neither set of judges are dummies. I'm sure they are conversant with these texts and could readily delineate the impact these texts have had on western culture from their perspectives. They just fundamentally disagree with the boilerplate "progressive/enlightened" liberal world view we've inherited and are unwilling to accept it as beneficially progressive.

    Might someone clearly understand the nuances of your world view and still choose not to subscribe to it (yea, even take some pot shots at it) without being rotely dismissed as a small-minded, barely literate simpleton? Is such an outcome possible?

    peace,
    curt

    +++++++++

    Pall Thayer wrote:

    > http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?idu91
    >
    > Are these people for real?!?
    >
    > --
    > _______________________________
    > Pall Thayer
    > artist/teacher
    > http://www.this.is/pallit
    > http://pallit.lhi.is/panse
    >
    > Lorna
    > http://www.this.is/lorna
    > _______________________________
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  • Vijay Pattisapu | Sun Oct 29th 2006 11:24 p.m.
    John Cage can mix a spooky sincerity with dry, cutting, self-aware humor."
    -John Haber
    http://www.haberarts.com/playtime.htm

    I don't get it.

    The ol' "dash of humor" seems to be a kneejerk in the arsenal of the art
    critic. I dunno...maybe I'm just being cranky.

    -Vijay

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