On Apr 18, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Rob Myers wrote:
> On 18 Apr 2005, at 16:34, t.whid wrote:
>> 2. Hopefully they'll take Illustrator's tools and interface and slap
>> Flash's timeline and actionscript onto it. At the very least, we'll
>> get beefed-up interoperability between Illustrator and Flash and PDF
>> (which would be extremely helpful). This seems like the most hoped
>> for development after read /. comments.
> Illustrator is my tool of choice for making my art. I'd hate to see it
> encumbered with a timeline and scripting language that I don't need.
> Indeed making an "Office"-bloated app out of Illustrator, Flash and
> whatever else is a bad idea and would alienate Adobe's core print
Flash's drawing tools suck. Hard. Ever since I started using flash I've
hoped for Illustrator's drawing tools married to Flash's animation and
programming features. This needn't get in the way of print designers;
it depends on how it's developed. Just update Flash with Illustrator's
drawing tools and leave Illustrator alone or package it as an
This will be a net plus for Flash, at the very least they'll fix it's
fucked up GUI.
>> 3. Since Adobe was pushing SVG as an alternative to Flash, I wonder
>> if they'll keep promoting it? Not that they were doing a particularly
>> good job.
> It's *the* open format for vector graphics. See Inkscape &
I'm not dissing SVG. It's profile is still low compared to other vector
formats which is a big shame. The fact that flash is installed in >90\%
of browsers really hurts SVG on the web. There is yet to be a browser
that supports it natively.
>> This is probably not the best thing to happen. Adobe and MM were
>> competing in two key areas: web dev tools (golive and dreamweaver)
> No real competition: MM were winning hands down on the web. So MM will
> complement Adobe's print business with their web business.
I don't use either one so I could give a damn, but having Adobe attempt
to unseat DW was probably a good thing for DW users.
>> and vector graphics on the web (pdf v. swf).
> PDF/SVG are like chalk and cheese. Both vector formats, yes, but
> structurally, functionally and experientially very different.
MM was attempting to bust into the PDF space with all the printing
features in Flash, they mostly failed, but the competition was good.
Now it will be gone.
>> Now that competition will end which is probably not a good thing.
> The competition will come from the open source community. Possibly
> this is proprietary design software circling the wagons?
Before this takeover, Adobe was competing against MM and OSS, now it's
just OSS. Net loss. I don't see any major competition coming from OSS
at this point however. What OSS projects are giving Adobe serious
competition? the Gimp v. Photoshop? That's laughable (unfortunately, I
would love a free, decent bitmap tool). Is there even an Illustrator
equivalent of the Gimp? Or After Effects? At least Adobe is getting
more competition from Apple these days...
> Adobe developed the imaging model behind PostScript, PDF, SVG, Java 2D
> and MacOS X. From an artistic or philosophical point of view they're a
> fascinating company, they have defined how people have imaged the
> world using 2D software.
> - Rob.