Pod Pals

Posted by Matthew Mascotte | Wed Mar 2nd 2005 8:47 a.m.

i'm wondering where the Pod Pals project fits into the
overall scheme of things. ok, the project calls attention
to the importance of digital gear in our daily lives
and is utilizing popular modes of connectivity (podcasts,
inNetworks, etc) but is the material recently haked from
Ms. Hilton's cell phone Art? As significant (and cool) as Mandiberg
and Steinmetz are what is it about their upcoming moblog/podcast
and emails that is important? What exaclty are we being
asked to contemplate here? Not the content of the
project (nothing has been made yet really) and as far as the
conceptual plan is concerned I don't see how what they're doing is
unique.

Matthew
  • Jason Van Anden | Wed Mar 2nd 2005 9:24 a.m.
    Why do you ask?

    J

    Matthew Mascotte wrote:

    > i'm wondering where the Pod Pals project fits into the
    > overall scheme of things. ok, the project calls attention
    > to the importance of digital gear in our daily lives
    > and is utilizing popular modes of connectivity (podcasts,
    > inNetworks, etc) but is the material recently haked from
    > Ms. Hilton's cell phone Art? As significant (and cool) as Mandiberg
    > and Steinmetz are what is it about their upcoming moblog/podcast
    > and emails that is important? What exaclty are we being
    > asked to contemplate here? Not the content of the
    > project (nothing has been made yet really) and as far as the
    > conceptual plan is concerned I don't see how what they're doing is
    > unique.
    >
    > Matthew
  • Matthew Mascotte | Wed Mar 2nd 2005 2:41 p.m.
    ivan-

    I see no difference in how the project is being
    established and all the other moblogs/podcasts
    out there both in terms of content and concept.
    i'm questioning why pod pals has been
    elevated to the status of art... Turbulence funding
    and a Net Art News review is what I mean by important it
    has been contextualized into the Art scene before its
    even happened and as far as i can tell its gonna
    operate just like a mom and pop blog.

    A running critique throughout the project's run
    (especially a formalist one) would be very interesting indeed...
    I'm game if you are.

    respects,

    Matthew

    On Wednesday, March 02, 2005, at 04:24PM, Ivan Pope <ivan@ivanpope.com> wrote:

    >Is this a question you always ask about art, or does this bother you for
    >some reason? Why does it have to be 'important'? Why do you think we are
    >being asked to 'contemplate'?
    >We can do an online crit if you like, might be fun?
    >Cheers,
    >Ivan
    >
    >Matthew Mascotte wrote:
    >
    >>i'm wondering where the Pod Pals project fits into the
    >>overall scheme of things. ok, the project calls attention
    >>to the importance of digital gear in our daily lives
    >>and is utilizing popular modes of connectivity (podcasts,
    >>inNetworks, etc) but is the material recently haked from
    >>Ms. Hilton's cell phone Art? As significant (and cool) as Mandiberg
    >>and Steinmetz are what is it about their upcoming moblog/podcast
    >>and emails that is important? What exaclty are we being
    >>asked to contemplate here? Not the content of the
    >>project (nothing has been made yet really) and as far as the
    >>conceptual plan is concerned I don't see how what they're doing is
    >>unique.
    >>
    >>Matthew
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  • Kevin Hamilton | Wed Mar 2nd 2005 3:36 p.m.
    Ivan and Matthew

    I agree that this piece might serve well as a starting point for critique -
    only I would ask not "How is this art?" but "How is this unlike commerce?"

    I'm curious about how exactly this work will differ from the dreams of
    telepresence marketed by the telecom industry. Is 24-7 telepresent
    connection the pure fulfillment of these dreams, or, like Marinetti's car
    crashed in the ditch, an absurd manifestation that reveals their inevitable
    failure?

    From the proposal and description, I suspect that it's more the former than
    the latter - though even with Marinetti it's hard to tell. The project could
    perhaps learn a bit from Tehching Hsieh and Linda Montano, who lived
    together for a year tied by a short rope. (I always heard that they ended up
    requiring legal mediation.) There is plenty sinister in companionship, and
    plenty of obstacles to connection in even the clearest line.

    I'll be following with interest.

    Kevin Hamilton

    On 3/2/05 3:41 PM, "Matthew Mascotte" <mascotte@mac.com> wrote:

    > ivan-
    >
    > I see no difference in how the project is being
    > established and all the other moblogs/podcasts
    > out there both in terms of content and concept.
    > i'm questioning why pod pals has been
    > elevated to the status of art... Turbulence funding
    > and a Net Art News review is what I mean by important it
    > has been contextualized into the Art scene before its
    > even happened and as far as i can tell its gonna
    > operate just like a mom and pop blog.
    >
    > A running critique throughout the project's run
    > (especially a formalist one) would be very interesting indeed...
    > I'm game if you are.
    >
    > respects,
    >
    > Matthew
    >
    >
    > On Wednesday, March 02, 2005, at 04:24PM, Ivan Pope <ivan@ivanpope.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Is this a question you always ask about art, or does this bother you for
    >> some reason? Why does it have to be 'important'? Why do you think we are
    >> being asked to 'contemplate'?
    >> We can do an online crit if you like, might be fun?
    >> Cheers,
    >> Ivan
    >>
    >> Matthew Mascotte wrote:
    >>
    >>> i'm wondering where the Pod Pals project fits into the
    >>> overall scheme of things. ok, the project calls attention
    >>> to the importance of digital gear in our daily lives
    >>> and is utilizing popular modes of connectivity (podcasts,
    >>> inNetworks, etc) but is the material recently haked from
    >>> Ms. Hilton's cell phone Art? As significant (and cool) as Mandiberg
    >>> and Steinmetz are what is it about their upcoming moblog/podcast
    >>> and emails that is important? What exaclty are we being
    >>> asked to contemplate here? Not the content of the
    >>> project (nothing has been made yet really) and as far as the
    >>> conceptual plan is concerned I don't see how what they're doing is
    >>> unique.
    >>>
    >>> Matthew
    >>> +
    >>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
    >>> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    >>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
    >>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
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    >>> +
    >>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
    >>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
    >>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    > +
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  • ryan griffis | Wed Mar 2nd 2005 9:18 p.m.
    Ricardo Miranda Zuniga's "virtual landscape" is another, much less
    techno-utopian (yet more theatrical), exploration of the long-distance
    relationship caused by the required mobility of the culture industry.
    http://www.ambriente.com/net/mount/mount.html
    Of course, the techno-utopianism of IN Network is part of its subject
    matter, the perceived lack of options requiring complete subservience
    to the IT order. it's "you've got mail" hyper updated to account for
    the dream/nightmare of 24hr connectedness/separation. it allows them to
    be "together" only by forcing them to be apart. the family-plan gives
    the illusion that distance is really closeness.
    Or as AT&T predicted/ordered, "You will."
    http://ad-rag.com/114815.php
    if only shulgin's fuck-you-fuck-me device had been made commercial...
    http://www.fu-fme.com/
  • Anthony Craig Drennen | Thu Mar 3rd 2005 9:33 p.m.
    Matthew,
    I think I agree with you as to the significance of Pod Pals project. It is ostensively presented--if I understand it correctly--as technological application that blurs the boundaries between "art" and "life." I think it's just as likely that the opposite is true, that the perpetual blurring of art and life (yawn) is simply a pretext to support and legitamize new technology products. The intent seems to be a rhapsodic mediation on presence and absence...in the life of middle management academics. Actually I like it better now....
    Anthony Craig

    Matthew Mascotte wrote:

    > i'm wondering where the Pod Pals project fits into the
    > overall scheme of things. ok, the project calls attention
    > to the importance of digital gear in our daily lives
    > and is utilizing popular modes of connectivity (podcasts,
    > inNetworks, etc) but is the material recently haked from
    > Ms. Hilton's cell phone Art? As significant (and cool) as Mandiberg
    > and Steinmetz are what is it about their upcoming moblog/podcast
    > and emails that is important? What exaclty are we being
    > asked to contemplate here? Not the content of the
    > project (nothing has been made yet really) and as far as the
    > conceptual plan is concerned I don't see how what they're doing is
    > unique.
    >
    > Matthew
  • Louis Christian | Thu Mar 3rd 2005 10:25 p.m.
    i dont think that it is about thier connectivity with each other through technology.
    when they project thier personas into this space, thier personalities are skewed even when they had known eachother as long as they did. it is like the natural space skewing the contiousness of the supernatural. the hyperspace is skewing the contiousness of the natural, or maybe vice versa.

    ryan griffis wrote:

    > Ricardo Miranda Zuniga's "virtual landscape" is another, much less
    > techno-utopian (yet more theatrical), exploration of the
    > long-distance
    > relationship caused by the required mobility of the culture industry.
    > http://www.ambriente.com/net/mount/mount.html
    > Of course, the techno-utopianism of IN Network is part of its subject
    > matter, the perceived lack of options requiring complete subservience
    > to the IT order. it's "you've got mail" hyper updated to account for
    > the dream/nightmare of 24hr connectedness/separation. it allows them
    > to
    > be "together" only by forcing them to be apart. the family-plan gives
    > the illusion that distance is really closeness.
    > Or as AT&T predicted/ordered, "You will."
    > http://ad-rag.com/114815.php
    > if only shulgin's fuck-you-fuck-me device had been made commercial...
    > http://www.fu-fme.com/
    >
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