wifi leeches?

Posted by Alexander Galloway | Tue Dec 21st 2004 2:48 p.m.

what are people's thoughts on wifi leeches? i pay for a cable modem and
have wifi at my apartment, and recently i noticed some random person on
it. i've never considered putting a password on my wifi router, but i
also don't really want some luser on it leeching my bandwidth. i mean
i'm all for open bandwidth, but it's not like this dude is making net
art or something and can't pay for it himself like i do. what do y'all
think? should i block him out? or just continue amusing myself by
reading his email? (haha jk! jk!) -ag
  • MTAA | Tue Dec 21st 2004 3:12 p.m.
    I'm all for sharing, it doesn't bother me to share it.

    The problem comes with the security concerns, I don't want unknown
    people on my network who could possibly be reading my email, ftp
    passwords, etc.

    On Dec 21, 2004, at 4:48 PM, Alexander Galloway wrote:

    > what are people's thoughts on wifi leeches? i pay for a cable modem
    > and have wifi at my apartment, and recently i noticed some random
    > person on it. i've never considered putting a password on my wifi
    > router, but i also don't really want some luser on it leeching my
    > bandwidth. i mean i'm all for open bandwidth, but it's not like this
    > dude is making net art or something and can't pay for it himself like
    > i do. what do y'all think? should i block him out? or just continue
    > amusing myself by reading his email? (haha jk! jk!) -ag
    >
    >

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  • MTAA | Tue Dec 21st 2004 6:49 p.m.
    There are many tools that allow any computer on a particular LAN to see
    all the traffic going over the LAN.

    I leech too at our studio, just have to be careful and hope for the
    best (the worst thing is the cleartext passwords for FTP sites, one
    should def use sftp or ssh in those environs).

    good luck :-)

    On Dec 21, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Marisa S. Olson wrote:

    > i am stupid... can this really happen? i leech other
    > people's artport connection allllll day long. should i
    > not? help me obe wan...
    >
    >
    > --- "t.whid" <twhid@twhid.com> wrote:
    >
    >> I'm all for sharing, it doesn't bother me to share
    >> it.
    >>
    >> The problem comes with the security concerns, I
    >> don't want unknown
    >> people on my network who could possibly be reading
    >> my email, ftp
    >> passwords, etc.
    >>
    >>
    >> On Dec 21, 2004, at 4:48 PM, Alexander Galloway
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> what are people's thoughts on wifi leeches? i pay
    >> for a cable modem
    >>> and have wifi at my apartment, and recently i
    >> noticed some random
    >>> person on it. i've never considered putting a
    >> password on my wifi
    >>> router, but i also don't really want some luser on
    >> it leeching my
    >>> bandwidth. i mean i'm all for open bandwidth, but
    >> it's not like this
    >>> dude is making net art or something and can't pay
    >> for it himself like
    >>> i do. what do y'all think? should i block him out?
    >> or just continue
    >>> amusing myself by reading his email? (haha jk!
    >> jk!) -ag
    >>>
    >>>
    >>
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  • joy garnett | Tue Dec 21st 2004 7:37 p.m.
    ooo, yeah, that makes sense. I mean, is it someone who could also be
    amused by this conundrum? Can you tell? perhaps ask the fella maybe?

    On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, giselle beiguelman wrote:

    > what kind of guest do you have?
    > if you can amuse yourself by reading his email, you probably know...
    > so if it is just someone who can not pay for it like you do, why not?
    > gb
    >
    > alex galloway wrote:
    >
    >> what are people's thoughts on wifi leeches? i pay for a cable modem
    >> and
    >> have wifi at my apartment, and recently i noticed some random person
    >> on
    >> it. i've never considered putting a password on my wifi router, but i
    >> also don't really want some luser on it leeching my bandwidth. i mean
    >> i'm all for open bandwidth, but it's not like this dude is making net
    >> art or something and can't pay for it himself like i do. what do
    >> y'all
    >> think? should i block him out? or just continue amusing myself by
    >> reading his email? (haha jk! jk!) -ag
    >>
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  • Steve Kudlak | Tue Dec 21st 2004 9:32 p.m.
    > ooo, yeah, that makes sense. I mean, is it someone who could also be
    > amused by this conundrum? Can you tell? perhaps ask the fella maybe?
    >
    >
    >
    > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, giselle beiguelman wrote:
    >
    >> what kind of guest do you have?
    >> if you can amuse yourself by reading his email, you probably know...
    >> so if it is just someone who can not pay for it like you do, why not?
    >> gb
    >>
    >> alex galloway wrote:
    >>
    >>> what are people's thoughts on wifi leeches? i pay for a cable modem
    >>> and
    >>> have wifi at my apartment, and recently i noticed some random person
    >>> on
    >>> it. i've never considered putting a password on my wifi router, but i
    >>> also don't really want some luser on it leeching my bandwidth. i mean
    >>> i'm all for open bandwidth, but it's not like this dude is making net
    >>> art or something and can't pay for it himself like i do. what do
    >>> y'all
    >>> think? should i block him out? or just continue amusing myself by
    >>> reading his email? (haha jk! jk!) -ag
    >>>
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    Well let's see... I was tempted to put up Wifi on my machine and
    leave it open with some restrictions and protections for myself.
    I guess people have gotten kind of spooky and harsh about these
    things in the latter days. If it wasn't for teenagers and others
    finding there way into the ARPANET way back when there would be
    no INTERNET with its fun mosdtly free resources for people to use.
    It would have nevee been considered profitable in a "I paid fot it
    and it's all mine society that lots of businesses like to promote.
    Lot's of things were strted by people who let people in for fun
    and free and that's how almost all the neat stuff you and enjoy
    now got started. In fact lots of us let our teenaged friends
    have TIP numbers when those were the golden key to getting onto
    the ARPANET. So it is kind of silly and downright mean if not
    shortsighted and almost stupid to cast aspersions on an old and
    venarble tradition of just using what is there.

    I'd be tempted to either just silently and covertly without
    telling anyone watch the details of this persons life OR write
    them a letter telling them they are using the facility at your
    bonne plaisir (mutter othographie...) and that it isn't very
    secure. But please realize if the bizworld had started all of
    this they would be trying to charge for every second of looking
    at any page. As much as I like the concept of micropayments
    I am glad things did not start with the pay concept embedded.
    So I am glad Ted Nelson didn't get some of his wishes.

    Have Fun,
    Sends Steve
  • Steve Kudlak | Tue Dec 21st 2004 9:41 p.m.
    You can set up reasonable security with a little effort. I really
    must say I am taking aback by the dog in the manger attitude one
    finds today and this amongst people who are clamouring for as much
    free access to copyrighted goodies and other stuff as they can get.

    Note I have been debating setting up a local network for my building.
    I'd probabluy put some limits on things. Although I have wondered
    what would happen if I left it open as a honeypot to see what people
    would do. Right now I do use ssh and stuff like that for many of
    my connections to the outside world. It is an interesting thought.

    Have Fun,
    Sends Steve

    > I'm all for sharing, it doesn't bother me to share it.
    >
    > The problem comes with the security concerns, I don't want unknown
    > people on my network who could possibly be reading my email, ftp
    > passwords, etc.
    >
    >
    > On Dec 21, 2004, at 4:48 PM, Alexander Galloway wrote:
    >
    >> what are people's thoughts on wifi leeches? i pay for a cable modem
    >> and have wifi at my apartment, and recently i noticed some random
    >> person on it. i've never considered putting a password on my wifi
    >> router, but i also don't really want some luser on it leeching my
    >> bandwidth. i mean i'm all for open bandwidth, but it's not like this
    >> dude is making net art or something and can't pay for it himself like
    >> i do. what do y'all think? should i block him out? or just continue
    >> amusing myself by reading his email? (haha jk! jk!) -ag
    >>
    >>
    >
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  • Steve Kudlak | Tue Dec 21st 2004 10:20 p.m.
    I like secure Ixplore from Itree which basicly take the
    funtionality of the Putty Suite and puts and nice point and
    click wrapper around it all. My only dislike about it is they don't
    support Pagent very well. This let's you send keys instead of
    passwords are makes things quite secure. As long confugure your
    setup any user can't get access to certain things on your machine.
    So far I can drap and drop to get files down from the BSD box
    on the hill to my Win2k Box here but I can't seem to drag and drop
    files from my local Win2K box to the BSD box but have a workaround
    of running a psftp program. Now I am going RRFTM Re-Read the F***ING
    Manual to see if I am not missing something simple.

    Have Fun,
    Sends Steve

    > There are many tools that allow any computer on a particular LAN to see
    > all the traffic going over the LAN.
    >
    > I leech too at our studio, just have to be careful and hope for the
    > best (the worst thing is the cleartext passwords for FTP sites, one
    > should def use sftp or ssh in those environs).
    >
    > good luck :-)
    >
    > On Dec 21, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Marisa S. Olson wrote:
    >
    >> i am stupid... can this really happen? i leech other
    >> people's artport connection allllll day long. should i
    >> not? help me obe wan...
    >>
    >>
    >> --- "t.whid" <twhid@twhid.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I'm all for sharing, it doesn't bother me to share
    >>> it.
    >>>
    >>> The problem comes with the security concerns, I
    >>> don't want unknown
    >>> people on my network who could possibly be reading
    >>> my email, ftp
    >>> passwords, etc.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On Dec 21, 2004, at 4:48 PM, Alexander Galloway
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> what are people's thoughts on wifi leeches? i pay
    >>> for a cable modem
    >>>> and have wifi at my apartment, and recently i
    >>> noticed some random
    >>>> person on it. i've never considered putting a
    >>> password on my wifi
    >>>> router, but i also don't really want some luser on
    >>> it leeching my
    >>>> bandwidth. i mean i'm all for open bandwidth, but
    >>> it's not like this
    >>>> dude is making net art or something and can't pay
    >>> for it himself like
    >>>> i do. what do y'all think? should i block him out?
    >>> or just continue
    >>>> amusing myself by reading his email? (haha jk!
    >>> jk!) -ag
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
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