you are being mapped

Posted by Marcos Weskamp | Wed Jan 7th 2004 12:21 a.m.

Dear rhizomers,

notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.

Which are the dynamics of mailing lists as social groups? How do they
organize themselves? Who are the main speakers and who the most socially
visual persons in those groups?
http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/

Ever wondered how the rhizome list would look like if you wanted to draw a
map of it?
http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=rhizome

All emails to the list are beeing plotted as they happen, which makes these
diagrams almost *live* snapshots of the current status of the lists.
Although on the works is a version which will let you see straight into your
inbox, in the time beeing if anyone has further ideas on lists you'd like to
see, please drop me a line.

behave,

-marcos
  • Justin Simoni | Wed Jan 7th 2004 1:24 a.m.
    Well that's the coolest thing I've seen all day. And I'm in the center! Ha!
    That's odd, because my "day job" is working on a mailing list manager:

    http://dadamail.org

    If there's anything you'd like to integrate in the application level of my
    MLM, like some sort of interesting API, let me know :) It may make an
    interesting side project, as I'm going to be beefing up the Discussion list
    support of it in a few weeks time.

    Justin Simoni | http://justinsimoni.com | 720 436 7701

    - Starving artist by day,
    - Poetic philosopher by night
    - Computer programmer in the wee hours.

    On 1/6/04 9:18 PM, "marcos weskamp" <bulkmail@marcosweskamp.com> wrote:

    > Dear rhizomers,
    >
    > notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.
    >
    > Which are the dynamics of mailing lists as social groups? How do they
    > organize themselves? Who are the main speakers and who the most socially
    > visual persons in those groups?
    > http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/
    >
    > Ever wondered how the rhizome list would look like if you wanted to draw a
    > map of it?
    > http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=rhizome
    >
    > All emails to the list are beeing plotted as they happen, which makes these
    > diagrams almost *live* snapshots of the current status of the lists.
    > Although on the works is a version which will let you see straight into your
    > inbox, in the time beeing if anyone has further ideas on lists you'd like to
    > see, please drop me a line.
    >
    > behave,
    >
    > -marcos
    >
    >
    > +
    > -> post: list@rhizome.org
    > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
    > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
    > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
    > +
    > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
    > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
    >
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Wed Jan 7th 2004 5:47 a.m.
    NEO-MIMESIS
    Voluntarily participation in different kind of "social action"(answering on
    every kind of question)suit nice to cyber space.Singularity is replaced with
    general scanning,instead recognized personal image people agree to be part
    of social DNK.Interesting!
    E.Canetti in "Masse und Macht"pointed question as "sting",attack,ones and
    forever stick in(singular)body.
    Masse und Macht,chapter"Question and answer"(page 241);In one Serbian
    story"Around noon young girl sleep in grass.Her boyfriend was awake and
    think about how to get a rid of her.Than came "Noon Woman"and start to ask
    him a question.He answered,but she had new and new question.After one hour
    his hart was broken.She ask him until he died."(origin:Wendishe
    Sagen,pub.Siebera,Jena 1925).
    This action(>
    http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=rhizome)
    belong to corpus of unconceshnes investigation,and like the other of same
    kind could be interesting for somebody(not just for Marcos).Typical product
    of neoliberalism and globalism.After all we belong,we are prisoner,of those
    ideological formation.All answer we give to anybody are part of giant
    image,ultra mimesis of epoque without individuality.
    Of course,there's some ideas which pretend to do something
    else-ALTERGLOBALISM.For beginning- George Monbio:The age of consent...
    Anyway;how can I be sure for destination of all that material?I strongly
    belief that it could bee opposite of neo-mimesis,necrophilia exploitation
    of(generally)innocent "subject".
    MANIK

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "marcos weskamp" <bulkmail@marcosweskamp.com>
    To: <list@rhizome.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:18 AM
    Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: you are being mapped

    > Dear rhizomers,
    >
    > notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.
    >
    > Which are the dynamics of mailing lists as social groups? How do they
    > organize themselves? Who are the main speakers and who the most socially
    > visual persons in those groups?
    > http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/
    >
    > Ever wondered how the rhizome list would look like if you wanted to draw a
    > map of it?
    > http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=rhizome
    >
    > All emails to the list are beeing plotted as they happen, which makes
    these
    > diagrams almost *live* snapshots of the current status of the lists.
    > Although on the works is a version which will let you see straight into
    your
    > inbox, in the time beeing if anyone has further ideas on lists you'd like
    to
    > see, please drop me a line.
    >
    > behave,
    >
    > -marcos
    >
    >
    > +
    > -> post: list@rhizome.org
    > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
    > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
    > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
    > +
    > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
    > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
    >
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Wed Jan 7th 2004 7:43 a.m.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
    To: "marcos weskamp" <bulkmail@marcosweskamp.com>; <list@rhizome.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:42 AM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: you are being mapped

    > NEO-MIMESIS
    > Voluntarily participation in different kind of "social action"(answering
    on
    > every kind of question)suit nice to cyber space.Singularity is replaced
    with
    > general scanning,instead recognized personal image people agree to be part
    > of social DNK.Interesting!
    > E.Canetti in "Masse und Macht"pointed question as "sting",attack,ones and
    > forever stick in(singular)body.
    > Masse und Macht,chapter"Question and answer"(page 241);In one Serbian
    > story"Around noon young girl sleep in grass.Her boyfriend was awake and
    > think about how to get a rid of her.Than came "Noon Woman"and start to
    ask
    > him a question.He answered,but she had new and new question.After one hour
    > his hart was broken.She ask him until he died."(origin:Wendishe
    > Sagen,pub.Siebera,Jena 1925).
    > This action(>
    >
    http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=rhizome)
    > belong to corpus of unconceshnes investigation,and like the other of same
    > kind could be interesting for somebody(not just for Marcos).Typical
    product
    > of neoliberalism and globalism.After all we belong,we are prisoner,of
    those
    > ideological formation.All answer we give to anybody are part of giant
    > image,ultra mimesis of epoque without individuality.
    > Of course,there's some ideas which pretend to do something
    > else-ALTERGLOBALISM.For beginning- George Monbio:The age of consent...
    > Anyway;how can I be sure for destination of all that material?I strongly
    > belief that it could bee opposite of neo-mimesis,necrophilia exploitation
    > of(generally)innocent "subject".
    > MANIK
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "marcos weskamp" <bulkmail@marcosweskamp.com>
    > To: <list@rhizome.org>
    > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:18 AM
    > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: you are being mapped
    >
    >
    > > Dear rhizomers,
    > >
    > > notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.
    > >
    > > Which are the dynamics of mailing lists as social groups? How do they
    > > organize themselves? Who are the main speakers and who the most socially
    > > visual persons in those groups?
    > > http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/
    > >
    > > Ever wondered how the rhizome list would look like if you wanted to draw
    a
    > > map of it?
    > >
    http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=rhizome
    > >
    > > All emails to the list are beeing plotted as they happen, which makes
    > these
    > > diagrams almost *live* snapshots of the current status of the lists.
    > > Although on the works is a version which will let you see straight into
    > your
    > > inbox, in the time beeing if anyone has further ideas on lists you'd
    like
    > to
    > > see, please drop me a line.
    > >
    > > behave,
    > >
    > > -marcos
    > >
    > >
    > > +
    > > -> post: list@rhizome.org
    > > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
    > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
    > > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
    > > +
    > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
    > > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
    > >
    >
  • MTAA | Wed Jan 7th 2004 12:05 p.m.
    On Jan 6, 2004, at 11:18 PM, marcos weskamp wrote:

    > Dear rhizomers,
    >
    > notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.

    dude.. i didn't know one COULD analize someone online ;-)

    j/k

    This is a very interesting work. It actually prompted me to post to the
    list which I've been neglecting to do the last few weeks. Having
    something like this officially connected with email lists could be a
    very helpful tool IMO.

    I have one question, do you consider this to be art? software? software
    art? net art? Not that it matters much, it's an interesting piece of
    socio-cultural software IMO, but I was curious as to how you approached
    it or contextualized it for yourself.

    Are you mapping other lists? which ones? can others use the tool to map
    lists?

    take care,

    >
    > Which are the dynamics of mailing lists as social groups? How do they
    > organize themselves? Who are the main speakers and who the most
    > socially
    > visual persons in those groups?
    > http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/
    >
    > Ever wondered how the rhizome list would look like if you wanted to
    > draw a
    > map of it?
    > http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?
    > list=rhizome
    >
    > All emails to the list are beeing plotted as they happen, which makes
    > these
    > diagrams almost *live* snapshots of the current status of the lists.
    > Although on the works is a version which will let you see straight
    > into your
    > inbox, in the time beeing if anyone has further ideas on lists you'd
    > like to
    > see, please drop me a line.
    >
    > behave,
    >
    > -marcos

    ===
    <twhid>
    http://www.mteww.com
    </twhid>
  • Rob Myers | Wed Jan 7th 2004 12:32 p.m.
    On 7 Jan 2004, at 16:04, t.whid wrote:
    > On Jan 6, 2004, at 11:18 PM, marcos weskamp wrote:
    >
    >> Dear rhizomers,
    >>
    >> notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.
    >
    > dude.. i didn't know one COULD analize someone online ;-)

    Clearly you've never been to a MUCK... :-)

    - Rob.
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Wed Jan 7th 2004 1:23 p.m.
    What is MUCK?Can I fed poor hunger artist with that?
    Sincerely
    MANIK
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Rob Myers" <robmyers@mac.com>
    To: <list@rhizome.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:32 PM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: you are being mapped

    > On 7 Jan 2004, at 16:04, t.whid wrote:
    > > On Jan 6, 2004, at 11:18 PM, marcos weskamp wrote:
    > >
    > >> Dear rhizomers,
    > >>
    > >> notice: All email sent to this list is being confiscated and analized.
    > >
    > > dude.. i didn't know one COULD analize someone online ;-)
    >
    > Clearly you've never been to a MUCK... :-)
    >
    > - Rob.
    >
    > +
    > -> post: list@rhizome.org
    > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
    > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
    > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
    > +
    > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
    > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
    >
  • M. River | Wed Jan 7th 2004 2 p.m.
    Yup, good work. Like the play back mode. I also like the wording of your post...kinda RSG/CIAish.

    t.whid wrote:
    >> Are you mapping other lists? which ones?

    It has a drop down with other lists on the top left.
  • joy garnett | Wed Jan 7th 2004 3:16 p.m.
    never MUCKed around much myself, but here:

    Nexus: Your Guide to the World of MUCKS
    http://www.mind-bender.org/nexus/
  • manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic | Wed Jan 7th 2004 5:26 p.m.
    MUCK is definitely something very healthy for eat!Thank you.
    MANIK
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Joy Garnett" <joyeria@walrus.com>
    To: <list@rhizome.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:16 PM
    Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: you are being mapped

    >
    > never MUCKed around much myself, but here:
    >
    >
    > Nexus: Your Guide to the World of MUCKS
    > http://www.mind-bender.org/nexus/
    >
    >
    >
    > +
    > -> post: list@rhizome.org
    > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
    > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
    > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
    > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
    > +
    > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
    > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
    >
    >
  • Marcos Weskamp | Mon Jan 12th 2004 10:36 a.m.
    Hi there, sorry for the gap between mails.

    Justin said:
    >Well that's the coolest thing I've seen all day.
    well, thanks a lot. Still trying to forget the cool factor out of it, I hope
    it helps in coming up with mental images of this spaces, normally completely
    hidden to the eye. That was the main idea that moved me into this project.

    >And I'm in the center! Ha!
    and now you guys pushed me to the center of the stage!
    :totally blushed, upraises his shoulders and looks down to the floor

    >That's odd, because my "day job" is working on a mailing list manager:
    >http://dadamail.org
    >If there's anything you'd like to integrate in the application level of my
    >MLM, like some sort of interesting API, let me know :) It may make an
    >interesting side project, as I'm going to be beefing up the Discussion list
    >support of it in a few weeks time.
    good one!. Well I'm not sure how we could work on that, I've been kinda
    bussy latelly and I can't really commit myself into other projects right
    now. I could give you an API for that and give you the source for the
    project. Problem is it works mainly on CFMX+mySQL, and your stuff seems to
    be pretty different. Well, maybe we could somehow figure it out, email me
    offlist [mail at marcosweskamp.com] if you are still interested.

    t.whind said:
    >I have one question, do you consider this to be art? software? software
    >art? net art? Not that it matters much, it's an interesting piece of
    >socio-cultural software IMO, but I was curious as to how you approached
    >it or contextualized it for yourself.
    I definitivelly consider this net.art driven by non-academic research based
    on academic research by a postmodern non academic self addressed artist.
    still, my main interest was not really creating pretty flying circles, but a
    visually interesting installment driven by live data produced by real
    people;)
    well, I guess... I wasn't really sure about what this all was untill I saw
    it working myself:)

    >Are you mapping other lists? which ones? can others use the tool to map
    >lists?
    yups, you can select other lists from the dropdown on the top left of the
    screen.
    I'm still asking people around to send me suggestions on other lists they'd
    like to see, so If you have any potentially interesting one, please let me
    know!

    nikola said:
    >Voluntarily participation in different kind of "social action"(answering on
    >every kind of question)suit nice to cyber space.Singularity is replaced
    with
    >general scanning,instead recognized personal image people agree to be part
    >of social DNK.Interesting!
    those are really wise words nikola. I'm not really sure If I understand it
    thouroughly, though, but I guess you should say thanks.
    :grabs a handfull of MUCK and puts it into his mouth.

    cheers,

    -marcos
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